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Lav X Ultrahypo Motley
- Thread starter Kat
- Start date
Clint Boyer
'Former' Snake slave
???
I wasn't sure whether that "Lav" meant Lavender or Lava.
I guess I still don't know. Is the male a Lava or is the female a Lavender?
I wasn't sure whether that "Lav" meant Lavender or Lava.
I guess I still don't know. Is the male a Lava or is the female a Lavender?
ecreipeoj
Striped Topaz SK SG Free
Great Project!
Ultra Hypo Lavenders. That may be the ticket!
I can't wait until your Ultra Hypo X Lava eggs hatch. It will be so nice to know if they are compatible or not. Have you been talking to them nice and singing to them to make sure they are happy!
I have personal interest in this project of course, but considering the stories behind them, I can not see them being compatible. I also see one major difference in their appearance. Although they do look similar initially, like two T+ amels, the Ultras have white where the black should be and the Lavas do not. The Lavas have no white on them what so ever.
So how many days do we have left before this mystery is solved Kat?
I think the biggest news from this test breeding is that the Ultra may be a new Type D hypo.
Ultra Hypo Lavenders. That may be the ticket!
I can't wait until your Ultra Hypo X Lava eggs hatch. It will be so nice to know if they are compatible or not. Have you been talking to them nice and singing to them to make sure they are happy!
I have personal interest in this project of course, but considering the stories behind them, I can not see them being compatible. I also see one major difference in their appearance. Although they do look similar initially, like two T+ amels, the Ultras have white where the black should be and the Lavas do not. The Lavas have no white on them what so ever.
So how many days do we have left before this mystery is solved Kat?
I think the biggest news from this test breeding is that the Ultra may be a new Type D hypo.
Kat
I'm talkin' to YOU.
Joe, I wouldn't expect to hear anything till atleast mid-June if I were you. The last few years have seen my clutches running about 75 days from egg laid to hatch. (Maybe it's the altitude?) Anyway... I'll keep you posted.
(Incidentally, I checked on the Ultra X sunkissed clutch, and one of the eggs had severely molded... I had to remove it. Sucks, but what can one do? Atleast the rest seem fine.)
-Kat
(Incidentally, I checked on the Ultra X sunkissed clutch, and one of the eggs had severely molded... I had to remove it. Sucks, but what can one do? Atleast the rest seem fine.)
-Kat
Simon
Corn Manic
Re: Oh.. and...
This would definately be awsome~
I didn't even think of this and though of only ultra hypo lavender~
but man if there is an ultra hypo motley lavender that would definately be great~~ Lovely indeed!!!!! Hope that the Ultra hypo and the lavas are not a bit compatible with each other...
This is going to be great!!!!!
Stiped Lava Lavender~
These two are definately going to make me drool and all~~
I want to see the snakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good luck to both of you!!
Kat said:*coughcough * Ultrahypo MOTLEY Lavenders...
-Kat
This would definately be awsome~
I didn't even think of this and though of only ultra hypo lavender~
but man if there is an ultra hypo motley lavender that would definately be great~~ Lovely indeed!!!!! Hope that the Ultra hypo and the lavas are not a bit compatible with each other...
This is going to be great!!!!!
Stiped Lava Lavender~
These two are definately going to make me drool and all~~
I want to see the snakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good luck to both of you!!
Walter Smith
CRAZY BOUT' CORNS !!
Hey Kat
Sounds like a good project, but it's going to be a loooooong one unless the genetic gods are with you.
You are already dealing with Hypo, Lavender and Motley which is going to give you normal TRIPLE hets ( 1/64 shot at your target ) plus correct me if I read it wrong, but the Hypo Motley may also be carring traits for Amelanism and Caramel?
Walter
Sounds like a good project, but it's going to be a loooooong one unless the genetic gods are with you.
You are already dealing with Hypo, Lavender and Motley which is going to give you normal TRIPLE hets ( 1/64 shot at your target ) plus correct me if I read it wrong, but the Hypo Motley may also be carring traits for Amelanism and Caramel?
Walter
Kat
I'm talkin' to YOU.
Hey Walter,
First off, it's Ultrahypo, not Hypo... Hypo implies HypoA. Second, the male isn't possible het butter... he's definite het (proven so last year).
Third, yeah... it's going to be slightly less than 1/64 odds due to the male's hets (though that only applies if both hatchlings paired carry the same one). That having been said, assuming the pair I pick /don't/ share the amel and/or caramel genes, I've got a 9/64 chance of getting a double homozygous animal, and a 27/64 chance for a single homozygous animal. Less than 50% chance of normals.
So yes, the odds are long for the triple, but the byproducts are fairly decent too...
Furthermore, even if the male's het traits show up... well... it's the ultrahypo-based Ambers that seem to have everyone drooling...
-Kat
First off, it's Ultrahypo, not Hypo... Hypo implies HypoA.
Second, the male isn't possible het butter... he's definite het (proven so last year).Third, yeah... it's going to be slightly less than 1/64 odds due to the male's hets (though that only applies if both hatchlings paired carry the same one). That having been said, assuming the pair I pick /don't/ share the amel and/or caramel genes, I've got a 9/64 chance of getting a double homozygous animal, and a 27/64 chance for a single homozygous animal. Less than 50% chance of normals.
So yes, the odds are long for the triple, but the byproducts are fairly decent too...
Furthermore, even if the male's het traits show up... well... it's the ultrahypo-based Ambers that seem to have everyone drooling...
-Kat
Walter Smith
CRAZY BOUT' CORNS !!
WHOA...
...I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. I know that it is "Ultra" Hypo. Regaurdless if it's hypo A, B, C, D, E, F, G, 1, 2, 25 OR 92,
I just typed Hypo because it is a form of Hypo.
This "Politically Correct" name crap is getting old.
Also, you may want to re-think you odds. Regaurdless if both are het for Amel. and Caramel you are dealing with three visible traits and two hidden ones (coming from the ULTRA Hypo ).
The visible traits already put you at 1/64th. chance of producing a triple HOMOZYGOUS animal. Adding the two hidden traits into the mix puts you off the charts.
I wish you well and hope you get what you are shooting for, but I don't think it's going to be as easy as you think.
Again, sorry if you took it that I was knocking your project. I didn't mean anything against you or it.
Have a nice day
...I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. I know that it is "Ultra" Hypo. Regaurdless if it's hypo A, B, C, D, E, F, G, 1, 2, 25 OR 92,
I just typed Hypo because it is a form of Hypo.
This "Politically Correct" name crap is getting old.
Also, you may want to re-think you odds. Regaurdless if both are het for Amel. and Caramel you are dealing with three visible traits and two hidden ones (coming from the ULTRA Hypo ).
The visible traits already put you at 1/64th. chance of producing a triple HOMOZYGOUS animal. Adding the two hidden traits into the mix puts you off the charts.
I wish you well and hope you get what you are shooting for, but I don't think it's going to be as easy as you think.
Again, sorry if you took it that I was knocking your project. I didn't mean anything against you or it.
Have a nice day
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Kat
I'm talkin' to YOU.
The name's not a 'politically correct' issue... it's a correctness issue period. If you want to get technical, amelanism is a form of hypomelanism (since hypo means reduced, and having none of something is definitely having a reduced amount), but if someone used hypo instead of amel, you can bet they'd get corrected in a heartbeat.
Aaaanyway... I never claimed the project was easy. Just that it'd be fun, and the byproducts would be fun as well. Incidentally, if we assume for a moment that both offspring I select from the F2s carry caramel and amel genes, then we're looking at an increase in the odds of triple homozygous animals (albeit the odds for ultra motley lav diminish), an increase in the odds of double homozygous animals, and an increase in the odds of single homozygous animals. Furthermore, the odds of getting normals drops quite a bit.
The fallacy in your argument is the assumption that all I care about are the ultra lav motleys, and that anything else is garbage. (Oh, I'm pretty certain I'll not get ultra lav motleys in the F2s given the odds, but taking double homozygous and breeding them together give roughly a 50% chance of yielding about 25% triple homozygous animals. Breeding an F2 back to an F1 has about a 50% worse chance than that, but it's still within the realm of reasonable possibility.) The byproducts of the pairings will be just as fun.
Furthermore, the odds don't drop as much as you think... If both F1s carry the same gene from the father's hets, there's a 1/256 chance that that gene will pop up in combination with the ultra lav motley. There's a 1/128 chance (if I did my math right) that if both F1s were dh butter that I'd wind up with an ultra mot lav caramel, ultra mot lav butter, or ultra mot lav amel. Given that it seems that lav and caramel do not coexist (one overwrites the other, though it's unknown which), and given that ultra + amel is something different from amel... how can any of those outcomes be bad?
-Kat
Aaaanyway... I never claimed the project was easy.
Just that it'd be fun, and the byproducts would be fun as well. Incidentally, if we assume for a moment that both offspring I select from the F2s carry caramel and amel genes, then we're looking at an increase in the odds of triple homozygous animals (albeit the odds for ultra motley lav diminish), an increase in the odds of double homozygous animals, and an increase in the odds of single homozygous animals. Furthermore, the odds of getting normals drops quite a bit.The fallacy in your argument is the assumption that all I care about are the ultra lav motleys, and that anything else is garbage. (Oh, I'm pretty certain I'll not get ultra lav motleys in the F2s given the odds, but taking double homozygous and breeding them together give roughly a 50% chance of yielding about 25% triple homozygous animals. Breeding an F2 back to an F1 has about a 50% worse chance than that, but it's still within the realm of reasonable possibility.) The byproducts of the pairings will be just as fun.
Furthermore, the odds don't drop as much as you think... If both F1s carry the same gene from the father's hets, there's a 1/256 chance that that gene will pop up in combination with the ultra lav motley. There's a 1/128 chance (if I did my math right) that if both F1s were dh butter that I'd wind up with an ultra mot lav caramel, ultra mot lav butter, or ultra mot lav amel. Given that it seems that lav and caramel do not coexist (one overwrites the other, though it's unknown which), and given that ultra + amel is something different from amel... how can any of those outcomes be bad?
-Kat
Walter Smith
CRAZY BOUT' CORNS !!
Ok,
Good luck and I hope all works out well.
Walter
Good luck and I hope all works out well.
Walter
Kat, relax, Walter was playing nice!
Walter,
I WILL be producing those Ultra Hypo Amber Motleys this year! I will email you photos when I have them. My females should be laying in a week or two. They are in the egg laying shed as we speak. Both of my Ultra Hypo Amber Motleys males bred 5 different females and both males had high sperm counts!
I will keep you posted
None of us are EXPERTS on this subject! So lets just see how this season goes.....
Ken Siffert
Long Island NY
Walter,
I WILL be producing those Ultra Hypo Amber Motleys this year! I will email you photos when I have them. My females should be laying in a week or two. They are in the egg laying shed as we speak. Both of my Ultra Hypo Amber Motleys males bred 5 different females and both males had high sperm counts!
I will keep you posted
None of us are EXPERTS on this subject! So lets just see how this season goes.....
Ken Siffert
Long Island NY
Walter Smith
CRAZY BOUT' CORNS !!
Hey Ken,
Thanks man.
I was just trying to point out the odds that will have to be beat to produce a ULTRA Hypo Lavender Motley, a triple HOMOZYGOUS animal, when there are 5 traits involved in the starting adults in the project.
Anyway, I am looking forward to seeing those. Will you have any available this season?
Walter
Thanks man.
I was just trying to point out the odds that will have to be beat to produce a ULTRA Hypo Lavender Motley, a triple HOMOZYGOUS animal, when there are 5 traits involved in the starting adults in the project.
Anyway, I am looking forward to seeing those. Will you have any available this season?
Walter
Walter Smith
CRAZY BOUT' CORNS !!
Ken.....
.....yes, I sure did. Simply BEAUTIFUL !!! Why ya think I'm asking about availablility? LOL
Ole Mike, he's a great guy. He got a couple animals from me a while back and kept me updated on their progress. They turned out better than the adults that produced them. Isn't that always the way? LOL
Anyways, I would like for you to contact me when you have them available, if you don't mind?
Walter
.....yes, I sure did. Simply BEAUTIFUL !!! Why ya think I'm asking about availablility? LOL
Ole Mike, he's a great guy. He got a couple animals from me a while back and kept me updated on their progress. They turned out better than the adults that produced them. Isn't that always the way? LOL
Anyways, I would like for you to contact me when you have them available, if you don't mind?
Walter