• Hello!

    Either you have not registered on this site yet, or you are registered but have not logged in. In either case, you will not be able to use the full functionality of this site until you have registered, and then logged in after your registration has been approved.

    Registration is FREE, so please register so you can participate instead of remaining a lurker....

    Please be certain that the location field is correctly filled out when you register. All registrations that appear to be bogus will be rejected. Which means that if your location field does NOT match the actual location of your registration IP address, then your registration will be rejected.

    Sorry about the strictness of this requirement, but it is necessary to block spammers and scammers at the door as much as possible.

U.S. Set To Approve Python Ban!

Carinata

Ever Evolving Exotics
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/16/2592593/us-set-to-approve-python-ban.html

The United States is poised to formally and finally ban that slithering scourge of the Everglades, the Burmese python.

U.S. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, who has championed the ban, is expected to make the announcement Tuesday morning during a press conference at a flood control pumping station off Tamiami Trail in the Everglades — a spot that is pretty much ground zero for a giant exotic constrictor that has become one of the nation’s most notorious invasive species.

Under a rule that has been the subject of five years of lobbying and debate in Washington, the United States intends to declare the Burmese python an “injurious’’ species, which would make it illegal to import or sell the snakes across state lines. At least one other species that has been found in the Glades, the African rock python, also is expected to be included on the “injurious’’ list that originally included nine large constrictors.

State and federal wildlife managers, environmental groups, many scientists and Florida lawmakers including U.S. Sen Bill Nelson, D-Melbourne, have been pushing for the step since the South Florida Water Management District formally petitioned for the listing five years ago, alarmed by the rising number of snakes showing up on the flood-control levees that criss-cross the Everglades.

Biologists estimate there are now thousands of Burmese pythons in the Everglades, where they have eaten everything from marsh rabbits to alligators, and some studies suggest they could spread much farther — possibly outside Florida. But the proposal has drawn political flak as well, with reptile breeders and collectors, backed by Republican lawmakers, disputing that the tropical snakes pose much of a risk beyond South Florida and arguing the restrictions amount to “job-killing’’ red tape that will harm a $100-million-a-year industry.

The rule had been under consideration by the White House Office of Management and Budget, which reviews proposals for economic impacts, for nearly a year.

The listing under the Lacey Act, which will be published in the Federal Register before becoming final, would expand on snake-control restrictions already adopted by the state of Florida.

Last year, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission effectively banned personal ownership of Burmese pythons and seven other constrictors as pets. Snakes whose owners had obtained $100 annual licenses and implanted them with microchips before July 2010 were grandfathered in. Reptile breeders, dealers, researchers and exhibitors also can continue operating under a separate permit program, as long as they agree to strict storage and transport rules.


I personally find this sickening. There is absolutly NO science behind this ban besides fear mongering politicians, who apparently have nothing better to do than cripple our economy further! Put MORE people out of work and make life harder for Americans! Let's hope they don't ban the other 7 on the list.
 
So they have announced that Burmese Pythons, Southern African Rock Pythons, Northern African Rock Pythons, and Yellow Anacondas are all now banned. They did save Boas, Retics, and Balls.
 
Saved - for now! Here is a quote from another source:

"Ashe said the Service will continue to consider listing as injurious the five other species of nonnative snakes that the agency also proposed in 2010 – the reticulated python, boa constrictor, DeSchauensee’s anaconda, green anaconda and Beni anaconda."

They are just biding their time until the furor over this announcement wanes. Then they can hit us again. And of course the rich humaniac groups will continue to buy whatever politicians they can to finish this effort. Then they can move on to the next ban they have in mind, whatever it is (probably all boas and pythons, and large lizards, would be my guess).
 
This is really quite sad. Honestly, instead of getting killers and rapists off of the streets they'll put them time and money on something that does more harm than good.. Don't they think making this illegal is going to make more people breed and trade illegally? Doing it the "wrong" way? I'm really willing to bet every single person involved in the banning of, has never owned nor given the " satanic serpents " a second thought. :shakes head: Morons. All of them.
 
IMO, it has nothing to do with logic or science. It has to do with getting votes. Getting rid of scary snakes SOUNDS good to the majority of voters. Add the bonus of lots of money from humaniac groups for election campaigns (or any other perks they give out), and it would seem silly for them NOT to our enemies.

Of course, this particular instance is rule making by the agency, not the Congress Critters. I would guess that the bigwigs at the Dept of the Interior have their illogical agenda for one reason or another. Whether it is because some of them personally hate snakes, or are humaniacs themselves, or are beholden to one or more politicians who think it will get votes, I can't say. But science and logic are not the reasons, and will not help to change their minds. Money and power would be a better offer - if only we had some to offer them.
 
Not to mention there is some moron running around in the BOI trying everything he can think of to make people question supporting USARK....
 
Not to mention there is some moron running around in the BOI trying everything he can think of to make people question supporting USARK....

I have a feeling getting only those 4 on the list was a compromise. Balls were removed quite early on, and although boas are being talked about, including all subspecies would be too much to handle, along with a much bigger market than for burms. :uzi::realhot::twoguns:
 
wow, it is a sad day in America! We are losing more and more of our rights everyday and it will only get worse! People have forgotten what our country was founded upon and it time to take it back and put our government in the house of the people and not the politicans. We vote them into office, it is time to vote them out!

My heart hurts because of this!
 
Well...

Not that I support this ban, but. Fact is there are snakes that don't belong roaming free in the Everglades. Bad husbandry and irresponsible ownership is how they got there.

Just food for though. Stirring the pot.. :)
 
Well...

Not that I support this ban, but. Fact is there are snakes that don't belong roaming free in the Everglades. Bad husbandry and irresponsible ownership is how they got there.

Just food for though. Stirring the pot.. :)

Wow...there are so many things wrong with that statement, where do I begin? First off, it was not bad husbandry and irresponsible ownership that got them there. They got there from a hurricane destroying pet shops and setting them loose.
Plus you do know that the cold winter season of 2010 killed off most of those problem snakes, don't you?
That ban was based on fear, nothing more than that.
And this ban is FEDERAL. That means that even Maine is affected. Have you ever heard of a wild anaconda in Maine?

I thought not....
 
Wow...there are so many things wrong with that statement, where do I begin? First off, it was not bad husbandry and irresponsible ownership that got them there. They got there from a hurricane destroying pet shops and setting them loose.
Plus you do know that the cold winter season of 2010 killed off most of those problem snakes, don't you?
That ban was based on fear, nothing more than that.
And this ban is FEDERAL. That means that even Maine is affected. Have you ever heard of a wild anaconda in Maine?

I thought not....

UH.. like the Chickens in Hawaii!. I guess I wasn't thinking about the hurricanes. But these snakes still do not "belong" in Florida. Not that the ban will change then coming in, it will be just 'illegal' now.
 
Well...

Not that I support this ban, but. Fact is there are snakes that don't belong roaming free in the Everglades. Bad husbandry and irresponsible ownership is how they got there.

Just food for though. Stirring the pot.. :)

You clearly don't know a damn thing about how this whole situation happened. Pet shops, and breeders that were wiped out by hurricanes. Sure there were some irresponsible keepers but most of it didn't stem from that. It's publicity like this that makes us look bad.
 
You clearly don't know a damn thing about how this whole situation happened. Pet shops, and breeders that were wiped out by hurricanes. Sure there were some irresponsible keepers but most of it didn't stem from that. It's publicity like this that makes us look bad.

Wow man, totally uncalled for :awcrap:

So it's not "our" fault, it's "theirs"?
 
Well, of course the "pet trade" is responsible for them being there, whether by hurricane or however else they got there. No pet trade = no live pythons. The skin trade doesn't import live pythons, lol!

But to me, there is still a lot of difference between saying that most were let loose by weather disasters, and a relative few were let loose by "irresponsible pet owners", compared to the scenario that the animal rights people would paint. That is, a steady stream of python owners from across the country driving down to the 'Glades to turn loose their pet that got too big for them.

No matter what the hobby or business, there will always be accidents, and there will always be some irresponsible people involved. Since we are humans, that is pretty much a given.

I would LOVE to see an objective, scientific study (if those things are still possible, with no hidden agenda) performed to find out several things, such as:

What is the actual damage that has occurred because of pythons? How many raccoons or other artificially abundant (because of human activity) animals do pythons consume, compared to eating endangered or threatened species? And how are many turtles and ground nesting birds that were endangered because of egg predation by raccoons faring currently? I can tell you for a fact that raccoons used to overrun many areas of the 'Glades, and they are pretty sparse now - maybe as sparse as they would be in pristine habitat without the human disturbed areas they do so well in. Is it possible that pythons are tipping the scales against them, and towards some of their prey?

I don't know the answers to these questions, but I sure have my suspicions. I wish I could afford to give grants to students to study it. However, I doubt that they would be allowed access, since there is a lot of Federal grants to be made to eradicate the "big, bad, pythons". Something to think about, especially if you tend to think that government is good and altruistic, and business is greedy and bad.

BTW, a genetic study was performed by a Florida university proving that ALMOST all (but not quite ALL) of more than 100 (if memory serves) randomly caught pythons were very closely related, thus supporting the theory that most came from a large dealer devastated by Hurricane Andrew in 1992 - or some other single source.

You should be able to find the study online if you search.
 
How unfortunate. I hope that more action is taken against it even if it passes. I AM glad, however, to see that a few species seem to have been removed from it. At Repticon last weekend, I bought myself a male hypo nicaraguan boa just in case this law passed and I would miss the opportunity to own one. I've had him just a few days now and just love him.

Repticon also had a few reticulated pythons and a burmese (or maybe one retic and a few burmese, I have a hard time telling them apart) with the Reno Herp Society, and I don't quite understand why they're so hated. Everyone was eager to pet them, and on Sunday's presentation on large snake and their care, the room they held the presentation in was so packed people had to stand in the back.



I'm completely sure that this pretty girl, Pearl, is a true man eater. She's so vicious and evil.
DSCN4962.jpg


Not that I support this ban, but. Fact is there are snakes that don't belong roaming free in the Everglades. Bad husbandry and irresponsible ownership is how they got there.

Not sure about what husbandry has to do with it, but yes, irresponsible owners are definitely to blame, not the whole population of people who keep these sort of pets.

However, there was an article posted somewhere in the last year or so that most of the burmese* pythons in the everglades are actually closely related, which means it's not a mass number of the snakes being released-- it's them breeding well. I just can't find the article. :awcrap:

*It was either burmese or reticulated pythons that they found this. I can't remember. :c


Accidents like hurricanes destroying buildings that the animals are being stored in are also to blame, but that's all it is-- an accident. No one can be blamed for a storm coming through their city or state and ripping open a building, then throwing snake homes around and breaking them open.
 
Back
Top