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WANTED: Snakes

Erika N.
04-11-2012, 01:08 AM
I am looking to add a non-corn to my list of snakes that is similar to them but different enough to satisfy me. Below is a list of what kinds of snakes I am looking for;

Ribbon Snake Thamnophis sauritus sauritus
Dotted House Snake Lamprophis Maculatus
Cape House Snake Lamprophis Capensis
Brown House Snake Lamprophis Fuliginosus
Rough Green Snake Opheodrys aestivus
Great Plains Ratsnake Elaphe guttata emoryi
Beast Corn Corn Snake x Black Rat Snake

Thanks,

Erika

Erika N.
04-11-2012, 01:20 AM
I guess I should also mention that I would prefer captive bred to wild caught specimens and for the mice eaters to be feeding on f/t to live.

Carinata
04-11-2012, 01:28 AM
Rough Greens eat crickets and aren't ever CB. Very cool species, though

Erika N.
04-11-2012, 01:35 AM
Rough Greens eat crickets and aren't ever CB. Very cool species, though

I did happen to know about the eating crickets/insects part but I didn't know that nobody had ever successful bred them in captivity.

Carinata
04-11-2012, 06:54 AM
A few old school guys did waaaaay back in the 80's and 90's.

Erika N.
04-11-2012, 08:42 AM
A few old school guys did waaaaay back in the 80's and 90's.

Would you happen to know if they stopped because it was difficult to breed them, or; was it just because the Rough Green wasn't 'popular' enough in the snake business?

Carinata
04-11-2012, 09:18 AM
Well, it's just how the industry evolved. Ball Pythons began gaining popularity, and those unique lesser-known species just weren't popular enough. They're difficult to breed, studies suggest they need UV lighting and very specific supplementation to thrive. Occasionally someone will have a WC female lay eggs, and will hatch them.

crackerhead
04-11-2012, 10:34 AM
Rough Green Snake Opheodrys aestivus


The Rough Green Tree Snake is a protected species in your state as it is in most Midwest states. Making it illegal to sell, collect or purchase them in Indiana.

Terri

Erika N.
04-11-2012, 10:46 AM
The Rough Green Tree Snake is a protected species in your state as it is in most Midwest states. Making it illegal to sell, collect or purchase them in Indiana.

Terri

Thanks, i was actually just readind the DNR: Indiana's Reptile & Amphibian Regulations and saw that they are a native species (though not endangered like the smooth green). Granted I cant edit my post and take it off so I hope people actually read further into this thread.

Carinata
04-11-2012, 10:50 AM
That's another thing to take into consideration when buying a snake, make sure it's legal first! I had a Rough Green for a while, very neat display snake, ate dusted crickets very well, I had a UV light for it. It did very well for me!

Erika N.
04-11-2012, 10:54 AM
That's another thing to take into consideration when buying a snake, make sure it's legal first! I had a Rough Green for a while, very neat display snake, ate dusted crickets very well, I had a UV light for it. It did very well for me!

I thought I did but I must have skip over that one. I saw the Smooth one was endangered but did not see anything about the Rough until Terri pointed it out and I went back to double check.

Erika N.
04-11-2012, 10:56 AM
SNAKES I CAN NOT LEGALLY OWN IN INDIANA


• Bullsnake (Pituophis catenifer sayi)
• Butler’s garter snake (Thamnophis butleri)
• Common gartersnake (Thamnophis sirtalis)
• Copper-bellied watersnake (Nerodia erythrogaster neglecta)1
• Copperhead (Agkistrodon contortrix)
• Cottonmouth (Agkistrodon piscivorus)
• Dekay’s brownsnake (Storeria dekayi)
• Diamond-backed watersnake (Nerodia rhombifer)
• Eastern black kingsnake (Lampropeltis getula nigra)
• Eastern hog-nosed snake (Heterodon platirhinos)
• Eastern milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum triangulum)
• Eastern ribbonsnake (Thamnophis sauritus)
• Eastern wormsnake (Carphophis amoenus)
• Gray ratsnake (Pantherophis spiloides)
• Kirtland’s snake (Clonophis kirtlandii)
• Massasauga (Sistrurus catenatus) 2
• Milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum)
• North American Racer (Coluber constrictor)
• Northern watersnake (Nerodia sipedon)
• Plains gartersnake (Thamnophis radix)
• Prairie kingsnake (Lampropeltis calligaster calligaster)
• Queensnake (Regina septemvittata)
• Red milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum syspila)
• Red-bellied mudsnake (Farancia abacura)
• Red-bellied snake (Storeria occipitomaculata)
• Ring-necked snake (Diadophis punctatus)
• Rough greensnake (Opheodrys aestivus)
• Scarletsnake (Cemophora coccinea)
• Smooth earthsnake (Virginia valeriae)
• Smooth greensnake (Opheodrys vernalis)
• Southeastern crowned snake (Tantilla coronata)
• Timber rattlesnake (Crotalus horridus)
• Western foxsnake (Pantherophis vulpinus)
• Western ribbonsnake (Thamnophis proximus)

Erika N.
04-11-2012, 11:09 AM
^ Unless they are...

(f) A reptile or amphibian that is not on a state or federal endangered or threatened species list and with a color morphology
that is:
(1) albinistic (an animal lacking brown or black pigment);
(2) leucistic (a predominately white animal); or
(3) xanthic (a predominately yellow animal);
is exempted from this section if it was not collected from the wild.

as stated in Indiana's wildlife law Article 9: FISH AND WILD LIFE

312 IAC 9-5-7 Sale and transport for sale of reptiles and amphibians native to Indiana
Authority: IC 14-10-2-4; IC 14-22
Affected: IC 14-22; IC 20-19-2-8; IC 20-19-2-10

El Jefe
04-11-2012, 11:22 AM
Rough Greens eat crickets and aren't ever CB. Very cool species, though

A few old school guys did waaaaay back in the 80's and 90's.

I'm not that old school and I did in in the early 2000's.

Carinata
04-11-2012, 12:12 PM
I always heard about people in the 80s and 90s keeping them in big numbersm how much success did you have?

rich333
04-11-2012, 08:51 PM
SNAKES I CAN NOT LEGALLY OWN IN INDIANA


• Bullsnake (Pituophis catenifer sayi)
• Butler’s garter snake (Thamnophis butleri)
• Common gartersnake (Thamnophis sirtalis)
• Copper-bellied watersnake (Nerodia erythrogaster neglecta)1
• Copperhead (Agkistrodon contortrix)
• Cottonmouth (Agkistrodon piscivorus)
• Dekay’s brownsnake (Storeria dekayi)
• Diamond-backed watersnake (Nerodia rhombifer)
• Eastern black kingsnake (Lampropeltis getula nigra)
• Eastern hog-nosed snake (Heterodon platirhinos)
• Eastern milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum triangulum)
• Eastern ribbonsnake (Thamnophis sauritus)
• Eastern wormsnake (Carphophis amoenus)
• Gray ratsnake (Pantherophis spiloides)
• Kirtland’s snake (Clonophis kirtlandii)
• Massasauga (Sistrurus catenatus) 2
• Milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum)
• North American Racer (Coluber constrictor)
• Northern watersnake (Nerodia sipedon)
• Plains gartersnake (Thamnophis radix)
• Prairie kingsnake (Lampropeltis calligaster calligaster)
• Queensnake (Regina septemvittata)
• Red milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum syspila)
• Red-bellied mudsnake (Farancia abacura)
• Red-bellied snake (Storeria occipitomaculata)
• Ring-necked snake (Diadophis punctatus)
• Rough greensnake (Opheodrys aestivus)
• Scarletsnake (Cemophora coccinea)
• Smooth earthsnake (Virginia valeriae)
• Smooth greensnake (Opheodrys vernalis)
• Southeastern crowned snake (Tantilla coronata)
• Timber rattlesnake (Crotalus horridus)
• Western foxsnake (Pantherophis vulpinus)
• Western ribbonsnake (Thamnophis proximus)

Looking at this list...and being born & raised in indiana......I had No idea I was breaking so many laws as a kid/teen!!! Shhhhhhhh!!!!! Our little secret....right?

crackerhead
04-11-2012, 09:13 PM
Actually the rules don't apply to kids; much like fishing licenses. I own a trio of CBB Rough Green Tree Snakes. I love them. Feeding and cleaning is like a really good Where's Waldo game.

Terri

gelshark
04-11-2012, 10:32 PM
Actually the rules don't apply to kids; much like fishing licenses. I own a trio of CBB Rough Green Tree Snakes. I love them. Feeding and cleaning is like a really good Where's Waldo game.

Terri

You mean your kids own the trio, ..... right?

tress29
04-12-2012, 08:26 AM
You mean your kids own the trio, ..... right?

Hey, I'm off the hook, I have kids (and a plains garter!) Wheeeewww!

Erika N.
04-12-2012, 11:08 AM
From all the reading I did it does seem as if kids can 'collect' any species on that list, as long as it is not an endangered species, and adults can only breed 9 species of them if they have a permit. Which is sad but I guess understandable.

My question is would a re-homing fee be considered selling?

crackerhead
04-12-2012, 11:23 AM
You mean your kids own the trio, ..... right?

No, I own them, with a permit. My kid wouldn't touch a snake. I think he was switched at birth. lol

Erika, as I understand the law, you may not catch, own, purchase, transport, gift, rehome, share, loan, barter, release or buy the animals or their subsequent offspring. With a permit in IL you may keep them yourself and even breed them but the offspring are yours in perpetuity as well. The spirit of the law basically wants to allow people to have them for themselves but eliminate the possibility of making them available to others who don't choose to go through a permitting process. In other words it's a control issue.

Terri

El Jefe
04-12-2012, 12:13 PM
I always heard about people in the 80s and 90s keeping them in big numbersm how much success did you have?

They weren't that hard. Had some WC gravid females and then raised those babies in captivity and those got big and so on and so forth. Only bred them a couple times as the babies are even more of a pain than the adults. I really don't like dealing with crickets so when one of my colleagues became less interested in doing the reptile thing, all cricket eaters went bye-bye.

Mark Dwight
04-12-2012, 01:36 PM
SNAKES I CAN NOT LEGALLY OWN IN INDIANA


• Bullsnake (Pituophis catenifer sayi)
• Butler’s garter snake (Thamnophis butleri)
• Common gartersnake (Thamnophis sirtalis)
• Copper-bellied watersnake (Nerodia erythrogaster neglecta)1
• Copperhead (Agkistrodon contortrix)
• Cottonmouth (Agkistrodon piscivorus)
• Dekay’s brownsnake (Storeria dekayi)
• Diamond-backed watersnake (Nerodia rhombifer)
• Eastern black kingsnake (Lampropeltis getula nigra)
• Eastern hog-nosed snake (Heterodon platirhinos)
• Eastern milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum triangulum)
• Eastern ribbonsnake (Thamnophis sauritus)
• Eastern wormsnake (Carphophis amoenus)
• Gray ratsnake (Pantherophis spiloides)
• Kirtland’s snake (Clonophis kirtlandii)
• Massasauga (Sistrurus catenatus) 2
• Milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum)
• North American Racer (Coluber constrictor)
• Northern watersnake (Nerodia sipedon)
• Plains gartersnake (Thamnophis radix)
• Prairie kingsnake (Lampropeltis calligaster calligaster)
• Queensnake (Regina septemvittata)
• Red milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum syspila)
• Red-bellied mudsnake (Farancia abacura)
• Red-bellied snake (Storeria occipitomaculata)
• Ring-necked snake (Diadophis punctatus)
• Rough greensnake (Opheodrys aestivus)
• Scarletsnake (Cemophora coccinea)
• Smooth earthsnake (Virginia valeriae)
• Smooth greensnake (Opheodrys vernalis)
• Southeastern crowned snake (Tantilla coronata)
• Timber rattlesnake (Crotalus horridus)
• Western foxsnake (Pantherophis vulpinus)
• Western ribbonsnake (Thamnophis proximus)


Geesh..It's getting to the point we'll all have to move to Cuba or China to maintain a little freedom and our right to happiness. Sad, just sad.

MamaBrez
11-26-2012, 09:09 PM
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