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Frightening new law in Florida

Heh, I should run (literally) over to the Capitol and give Jeb a high five.

Why should anyone have to run from an attacker? I should be able to whip out a glock and take a shot, no?

Gotta love that State of Florida's conservative/republican majority in the congress---it's a wonderful thing.
 
I really hope theres a lot of implied sarcasm that I'm just missing totally from your post joe.

America already has a deplorable rate of violent firearms related deaths...I can't see this making it any better.
 
Joejr14 said:
Heh, I should run (literally) over to the Capitol and give Jeb a high five.

Why should anyone have to run from an attacker? I should be able to whip out a glock and take a shot, no?

Gotta love that State of Florida's conservative/republican majority in the congress---it's a wonderful thing.
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I'm with you Joe.
Bring it if you will and pay the price :twoguns:
 
Am I missing something here? You actually WANT to live in a society that allows 1 peoson to shoot another person because that person feels threatened???

It's all a mater of perspective. In court, you can't prove the shooter DIDN'T feel threatened...it would be passed over as a justifiable homocide.
 
princess said:
Am I missing something here? You actually WANT to live in a society that allows 1 peoson to shoot another person because that person feels threatened???

It's all a mater of perspective. In court, you can't prove the shooter DIDN'T feel threatened...it would be passed over as a justifiable homocide.
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Threatened is subjective, yes. However, if someone walks up to me with a knife I should be able to pull a gun and take that dude out, as simple as that.

For one, you never know---the Florida Supreme Court might say this isn't constitutional, but the fact remains that the subjectiveness will be dealt with in court.

Obviously the spirit of the law doesn't mean to run around shooting people who look at you weird.
 
Joejr14 said:
Obviously the spirit of the law doesn't mean to run around shooting people who look at you weird.
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You explain that to the loonies out there BEFORE they go around offing people.
 
that's a tough one. although I don't feel that someone should have to try to run/flee/escape if their life truly is being threatened, I also worry that people might feel that it's "okay" for them to pull out a weapon under other cirucmstances as well. (for example, when they're life really isn't in danger, but they are just really ticked off by someone) They might try to claim that they THOUGHT their life was in danger...even if it really wasn't. Some people are real quick to jump to conclusions (and I think racism often comes into play there) and might be just as quick to shoot someone.

"The new bill goes further by allowing citizens to use deadly force in a public place if they have a reasonable belief they are in danger of death or great bodily harm. "
 
princess said:
You explain that to the loonies out there BEFORE they go around offing people.
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That's not what the law says, re-read the article.

"This is about meeting force with force," said House sponsor Republican state Rep. Dennis Baxley of Ocala. "If I'm attacked, I should not have to retreat."

I agree with Rep. Baxley---he is absolutely correct. You should not have to flee because you're being attacked.

"Outside the home, however, courts have ruled that most victims must at least attempt to escape before using deadly force, a provision gun advocates say puts victims at greater risk. The proposal removes that requirement if a person has a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm."

Great bodily harm is not an akward glance or stare. It's clear what the bill is proposing, and I dont have a problem with it.

"All this bill will do is sell more guns and possibly turn Florida into the OK Corral," said Democratic state Rep. Irv Slosberg of Boca Raton.

Typical liberal BS scare tactics. You shouldn't have to run, and this bill isn't going to have people flocking to gun stores to be carryin' a piece. There are thousands of bills passed and proposed every year----this one without the media attention would have slid under the radar and nobody would have noticed.

I guarantee you that this bill will not increase gun sales, period. That is the most ridiculous thing I've read all day.
 
So if you accidently bump someone in the street and they yell at you that they're going to 'beat you to a pulp', you could shoot them in the head.

OK, I see it now...it makes so much sense to me... :sidestep:
 
princess said:
So if you accidently bump someone in the street and they yell at you that they're going to 'beat you to a pulp', you could shoot them in the head.

OK, I see it now...it makes so much sense to me... :sidestep:
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Glad you're making more sense of the bill now.
 
It used to be, if someone broke into your house, armed, and you shot him dead, you could be brought up on charges. Now, do you think that is right?
If someone comes into my house with a gun, or any weapon, I'm going to end their career PERIOD! Laws really don't stop people from killing, BTW. Just read the news.
 
mbdorfer said:
It used to be, if someone broke into your house, armed, and you shot him dead, you could be brought up on charges. Now, do you think that is right?
If someone comes into my house with a gun, or any weapon, I'm going to end their career PERIOD! Laws really don't stop people from killing, BTW. Just read the news.
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Guns dont kill people, people kill people.
 
mbdorfer said:
Thought you were studying for a test :roflmao:
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I am, but arguing about guns and gun laws definitely trumps studying tariffs, quotas, voluntary export restraints, dutch disease, immersizing growth, etc etc etc.

BLAH
 
So if you accidently bump someone in the street and they yell at you that they're going to 'beat you to a pulp'
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People who act like that do not belong in a civilized society. Too bad they cannot be screened out before they grow up to be complete apes, reproduce, and inflict themselves on decent people.
 
A reply from a canadian here

Canada has tons of B&E's and seems like once a week we here of someone in our city breaking into some old (old old) couples house, knocking them to theground, robbing them blind then shooting them on the way out the door.

My fiance personally has dealt with so many situations that threaten his life. being in the car world in BC is like being part of a gang and although he dosent directly search people out i have personally seen people threaten his life right infront of me and thank goodness he has the balls to turn around and walk away (draging me with him open jawed)

we have encountered people trying to run us off the road deliberatly and people with weapons trying to get us to pull over and start fights. and believe it or not but were just driving down the road doin the speed limit minding our own business.

one time it went so far as one of his rival's in a diffrent lowriding (cars with hydraulics) group came at Conan with three friends bearing pipes and knives cornering him in a dark corner outside a nightclub.

I dont know why crimes like this go unpunished...either cops are to lazy to deal with issues (often it takes an hour for cops to reply to a B&E) or their too dumb to question a group of people running full tilt down the street with pipes and big sticks or basball bats in their hands. I almost wish this law was passed here because it seems we are often forced to protect ourselves or "tuck tail and run like hell" when a gang or gang member comes at you
 
Serpwidgets said:
People who act like that do not belong in a civilized society. Too bad they cannot be screened out before they grow up to be complete apes, reproduce, and inflict themselves on decent people.
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I'm quite a social Darwinist so I have to agree 100% with you. I'm not getting into a political debate or anything here, but some people out there, who repeatedly conduct themselves in an antisocial, anti society minded way are prime candidates for removal from the picture...and no, I don't mean putting them in jail....

A dog that repeatedly bites people, kills cats, digs up the yard is likely to be put down, so how about people who show no intention of improving their behaviour be put out of our misery....? -and I'm not talking about first time offenders, I mean repeat rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, etc.

The Australian statistic is that it costs $60,000 a year to keep each inmate who is serving a life sentence and some of them might be there for 20+ years....I see that as a horrible waste of tax payers money that could be so much better dirrected into education, healthcare, crime prevention, etc....

Call me nasty and cold if you like....I don't think I should be scared to give my opinion.
 
Not only do I support it, I think is long overdue for all states.

In order to use deadly force there are certain conditions that must be met. You can't just "go around offing people" at random. You must legally possess a concealed weapons permit in order to carry a firearm in the first place. Contrary to Hollywood depictions, not every American packs heat in their waistband.

In some states, a legal gun owner, acting lawfully to defend himself or his family, is required to flee an attacker before being authorized to use deadly force. All this bill is doing is redefining those conditions and addressing a shortfall in the existing law; it is not authorizing random gun crime or murder in the streets of America.

IMO, I think you're addressing a pro-gun American social issue through a pro-disarmament European mindset. ;)
 
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