How many corns per tank?

I currently have two 29 gallon tanks. I was wondering what the opinions were on how many corns per tank you keep. I was plaiin on having no more than 2 adults peer tank. I went with the taller tanks so i could put tree foliage in and the 3 ft snow i have loves it so far. I have a baby snow as well and as soon as he gets large enough i wanted to move him in with the big one and get two more hatchlings for the other tank.

Opinons?



Thanks

Gerone

Sounds fine as long as snakes are roughly same size and you feed seperately etc etc. I'm planning on keeping 4 in a 30 gal (it will have heaps of hides, plants and will be made multi-level. Have fun!
R x

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4 Adult snakes won't live in a 30 gallon. Are you talking about hatchlings?

bmm

2 adults won't even fit in a 29 gallon, IMO. If I were to house 2 adults together, I would want at least 36"x18" floor space
What are the dimensions, anyway? I found one site - the 29 longs were same floor space as a 20 long, only taller.

I agree

If I was housing together, which I do not, I wouldn't even put two snakes in a 30 gallon.

bmm

29 Gallon. 30x12x18

I think most people agree that 20 gallons is the minimum size for one adult corn ....

As for housing together - I should be so lucky, I only have on corn

oops, sorry did the math wrong...40 gal (approx) and they live happily together so I'll continue keeping them together. Remember, It has been made multi level so there is alot of space for them. Besides, if I haven't experienced any problems whos to say its *wrong*?? I thought we had already had a huge post on the issues of 'set rules' a couple months back

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No one said it was wrong. What I did say was that keeping 4 corns in a 30 gallon was wrong. 40 Might be alright I guess, but I mean its your choice. Why not just buy a cheap 30 gallon tank then each pair of corns has more room? I personally wouldn't be keeping any more than two corns in a 40 gallon. Adults I mean. My adults are far to big to be three in a 40 gallon. "multi-level" or not. But those are my snakes. My personal choice. I prefer more "personal" room for each snake myself.

I don't see how multi levelling would help. While this would give more floor space, you can't possibly be setting the same gradient for each level. So lets say you use undertank heating pad...the lower level will be the warmest....while the top level will be left partially cool, unless you also have a heat light. If you do have a heat light , what about the middle level? You can't possibly have 4 hiding spots in each end on each level in a 40, especially for adult corns. I am not saying its wrong or not wrong or whatever I am just saying when you house more than one corn you need to make conditions available to each corn that are what they require. If one snake doesn't feel like being around another snake that is in the warm hide, is there another warm hide with those same conditions (i.e. 85 degrees) And for four corns I would recommend at least 6 spots...if not more and I just felt that would be cramped. Even in a 40 gallon.

Again I am not saying its wrong. Just discussing. It's great you aren't having problems, but some people have big problems housing together thats why I normally prefer not to share it as an option, myself anyways. IMHO.

BMM

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everyone gives the tank sizes in gallons????????????whats up with feet and inches??
in the uk we dont say a tank is 29 gallons, its 24"x12"12" or what ever the apropriate size is HELP its driving me nuts not knowing what size you are talking about.



dont mean to upset anyone but am i the only one who is confused by this???

STEVE.......

I'm from UK and have always bought tanks with regard to their gallon capacity. You can work it out from the dimensions but it's usually written on the packaging along with the dimensions (or it is for the clear seals that I buy anyway).
Bmm- I'll get a pic posted of my tank so you can see what I mean by "multi-level". The temp gradient isn't a problem, I'm not that stupid!!
Also, to whoever reads this....it's just my opinion (from relevant experience with my corns) that there has been no problem so far housing together. They seem happy so so am I. I don't think there is right or wrong answer here as long as everyone is happy. So lets all chill and enjoy our corns and xmas time!

Rachel said:

oops, sorry did the math wrong...40 gal (approx) and they live happily together so I'll continue keeping them together. Remember, It has been made multi level so there is alot of space for them. Besides, if I haven't experienced any problems whos to say its *wrong*?? I thought we had already had a huge post on the issues of 'set rules' a couple months back

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??? What do you mean it's working now? I thought we were talking about 4 adult corns in a 40 gallon tank? I thought you said you didn't have that set up yet? You can't really say that it's working when you haven't done it yet - unless you're just talking about generally housing together.

Just my opinion, but 4 snakes in a 40 gallon tank does sound a little cramped to me. But then again, I prefer not to keep my animals in the absolute minimum requirements.

Do you have space constraints or something? I would get another 30 or 40 gallon tank and split them into 2s if you really want to keep them together.

Pinata- I am in the middle of setting it up, just not complete yet. Have a few more bits and bobs to add to it.

As for my reasons for keeping them together it has nothing to do with space constraints (although that would be an issue along with the cost...I have to buy all these things myself). I prefer to keep them together and have had no problems. My snakes are well looked after and this shows in their general weel being. I know it is hard to get across your opinions on the web but it seems as if you are all saying that what I am doing is wrong. Well, it's not. It's an opinion...when my snakes get bigger and the size of the tank becomes and issue I will have saved up for another tank (and hopefully a whole new room to keep it in! )

I don't know about other but i do feel that a few of us here are very quick to judge and are very stubborn. I know that some of us 'tell it like it is' but that can come across quite nastily when it's simply written down. Please don't anyone feel that I am directing this at them in particular or that i'm being nasty, I have noticed this for quite a while now but thought the issue had been dealt with in the misc post a while back.

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I am sorry Racheal but you don't even have four corns in a tank yet so you can't really say its going to work or not. (not trying to be rude)

Are they adults?

If they aren't you really honestly can't say how it will go. That's not "my opinion" and its not me being stubborn. Its fact. If you haven't raised four adult corns together I really don't see how you can tell someone else its working o.k. Hatchlings are one thing, yearlings are one thing, adults are another.

I am sorry, and I really don't mean to offend you but its not a matter of opinion like you are saying..and frankly you have no clue if it will work or not if you don't already have 4 corns living in the tank together. (do you??) How many of your snakes that are living together are adults? You never answered my questions about the heating situation and hiding spots as to how this will work with proper thermoregulation for each snake. Its fine to have them living together if thats your choice (well fine for you i wouldnt do it myself) but what about early pregnancy? I see you have two females living with a male???? I am not bringing this out to upset you, I am saying it because its an honest concern. How will you prevent mating? I mean there are a thousand points I could bring up and ask you that I hope you have thought about. thats all.

Look the point here is not to upset you, not to say you are wrong, and not to be rude. The point is that adult corns need room. And unless you have adult corns, you can't say what is good for four corns in the long run. I mean thats fact is it not? I hope you think about certain things when putting your snakes together (especially the breeding)

bmm
P.S Just so everyone is clear..I am not saiyng housing together is wrong. It can work. My personal opinion is you are less likely to have problems when housing seperatly. That's all. But the problems assoiciated with housing together *are* a serious concern.....i.e. early breeding, passing of sickness, etc.

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looking at my post more and more Rachael I wanted to write again and make it clear I am not in any way saying you are doing something wrong. I am just discussing with you your housing option that you have choosen and any concerns I thought of that deal with it. thats all. I didnt want you to read my post and go on the defensive because i dont want it to seem i was going on the offensive.

bmm

can i post my opinion?

I think a corn snakes cage should be long enough for it to fully stretch out without having to curve its body

in other words if the snake is 30" then the cage should be 30"+

just an opinion. I know when I spend even a short amount of time bent over or something my back starts hurting and I need to stretch

SO, I applied the same 'theory' to my snakes - what do you all think - sounds good to me

example: my 4' creamsicle ALWAYS sleeps stretched out the length of his cage - seems like it's the most comfortable to him

I dont know about gallons or height - just seems like length might be important to them

I dont have ANY technical data to prove or disprove but it seems like a good place to start

I'd love to hear feedback on this theory

dartguy...

It sounds like a good theory, but I don't know if it is accurate. My snakes, even the ones in HUGE cages, spend most of their time curled up. I think it must not bother their backs.

actually the idea was to give them the oppurtunity to straighten out if they want or need to - but youre right most of my snakes spend the majority of their time curled up

Thats the basis I use. All my corns can stretch out fully. Also BMM, I'm not offended by your post...simply defending my theory. Although you did point out something which I only just realised....my corns are not adult (not hatchling either) but they are not fully grown. As I already said, when size becomes an issue I will address it. Now that that's cleared up....sorry if I have seriously mislead anyone. I was only giving my opinion but expect most people to use their own common sense.

Oh and PS BMM, as for heating there is a heat pad on bottom floor, one on another level, other level has no heat (a cool level) and other has heat lamp. The tank isn't split up into different levels...rather 'tables' in order to make use of the height of the tank. Hope that has cleared that up for you!

dartguy

I agree with your theory. But does that change when you are housing more than one together?

I mean if you have one corn, 20 inches long. O.k. so your tank is 20 inches long by say 10 inches wide....that would be enough length for that corn but wouldn't you need more room for more corns? How would you factor that in i wonder??? Not sure myself.

Rachel- I understand what you are saying but you still wont be able to stop them from breeding each otehr to early. I am just saying that as thats one of my points when discussing if snakes should be housed together or not. I feel the best situation if you are housing together at a young age is by sex.

bmm