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Keeping corns together

Harpy

New member
I have a very young(about 6 months old) pair of cornsnakes. Right now they live in separate tanks, and will so in future..

HOWEVER, I have been asked to put up a small display tank for a group of children, and they/I would like to put the 2 babies together. It is to show the difference of albinoism..The male is a red-albino, and female is black-albino..It will be just for the day, and no feeding will take place.

Will they be safe? I do not want anything bad to happen, I really like my little guys..

Please advise..
Harpy :confused:
 
Well based on my knowledge on other snake species and a little on the Corn snakes, I think you should be fine seeing as how it's male and female and that they are young. None of the snakes I own have been a threat to any others except for when you mix species. But I don't see why you wouldn't be able to put them together in one cage, they are in the same cage when breeding too and don't have a problem so it should be fine.;)
by the way would you mind posting a picture of the snakes?
 
posting pics

I would love to show the world my guys. BUT, i don't have means to do so..yet.. no scanner, no camera...just a pc with a phone jack...

Harpy :p


The snakes:
0.1 Amel corn snake - Gaia
0.1 Anery Corn snake - Hera
1.0 Amel corn snake - Zeus (possibly Aztec)
1.0 gopher snake
1.0 rubber boa
 
no problems

i keep two together all the time because the person i bought them off kept them together from young they are 3 years old now and i have never had a problem they actually seem to look for each other if i take them out!
 
THANKS

Thanks for all the response... The event was a great success. AND the snakelets did great together..

The total opposite colors was really cool to see all wrapped around each other. :cool:

All went well, no problems what so ever..... AND...they did not eat each other...which is always a good thing....:D

Thanks again...:p
 
whats the differnce

what is the accual difference between a black albino and a white albino how can it be an albino "lacking balck pigments" if it is back just a thought
 
ALBINO...As far as I have read, the "red-albino" is Amelanistic, which is lacking black pigments. The "black-albino" is Anerythristic, which is lacking the red pigment. I believe the word ALBINO is just used as a common, lay-man term..

Maybe in reptiles, there are many phases of the albino gene...that's why the Blizzard corn is a leusistic??? and not refered to as albino anything...BUT THIS IS JUST WHAT I HAVE READ!!!! Cornsnake manual...

CONFUSED YET??? I AM



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no

That's a somewhat misconception kinda, or at least makes it more confusing, when you are talking about Anery and Amel. Albino doesnt just stand for red eyed snake in this case.

Anery corn: Missing red pigments. Which means black and grey is still there. But no oranges or reds on the snake.

Amel: missing blacks. That is why the snake is red and oranges.

A black Albino means Anery corn, but it doesn't have to mean red eyes. Anery have black eyes. That is how it was explained to me, although I might be a bit off.
 
MORE ON ALBINOIZM

OK folks, this is a thread I found on the morph area of this forum. I makes sense to me.. I kept thread in whole, just to help with whatever...

Hope it helps....
Harpy
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Albino Question?

MidnightIris

Ok....
Umm, Let me tell you what I've heard, and then have people yell at me for begin wrong, lol.

Human, all mammal coloration actually, relies on only one factor that determines the amount of dark pigment that we have. Hence, if the person is devoid of all dark pigment, they have no color at all.

But Corn Snakes have three (or four) color-producing agents, one for black (similar to that found in mammals), one for red, and one for yellow (and one for irridescence that we don't totally understand). Hence, when all dark coloration is taken away in the same sense that it is in an "albino", there are still pigments being produced. Hence, the "albino" corn snake still having color. But it lacks all black, just like a mammal albino.

As for Anerys, or Black Abinos, the red and most yellow pigments are lacking in the same sense that black pigment lacks in an albino. So the paradox term of "black albino" does kind of apply.

As for snows and blizzards, they're not only lacking the black color producing agent, but also the agent to produce red and most yellow coloration. So, in a sense, while they take on the appearence of a mammalian albino, there are more factors at work then your typical albino.

And one more thing, names like "albino" and "black albino" are more marketing names to appeal to the public. I mean, doesn't "black albino" sound better then "anerythristic type 'a'"?
And more people know what an "albino" is then what an "amelanistic" is. So technically, a "snow" would be an "amelanistic type 'a' anerythristic". But that seems a bit long to me, lol.

Does this help? Or even make sense?
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MissHisssss
New Member

Thank you Midnight Iris
I'm no authority on this.... I only read what is written about things (in this case albino's and albinoism) and then use common sense..... and, it only makes sense that it wouldn't make any difference if it's human/animal or snake (all of which work with blacks, reds, yellows, etc).... albino still means the ABSENSE of ALL color. This is why albino human/animals have white hair. White is not a color, it is the absense of color. The very pale pink skin is only caused by the blood running through the veins and I see how that is so because when I blush my skin turns more pink. Bottom line... if something has any color at all, it can not be classified as an albino... and diluting a color or eliminating a color is a totally different thing than being an albino.

I agree that black albino and red albino sounds prettier than Anery this and Amel that.... but it falsely leads people down the wrong path. And I don't mean for those that know what albinoism really means... I'm talking about people who don't know and think they are buying a 'special color'.... or the kids that one thread person said was going to show her amel and anery snakes to to show them the difference between black and red albinos. Breeding, selling, and teaching people about these anery and amel snakes should be done on fact.... not just because one thinks one name is less difficult to say or to remember than another or one sounds prettier than the other.
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Darin Chappell
Very Senior Hillbilly

Webster's defines an albino as "an organism exhibiting deficient pigmentation." While that is usually applied to an animal that is white (due to a lack of melanin), it is not the case in reptiles. Reptiles can be other colors, but, because they are deficient in one or more pigments found in their normal coloration, they are technically "albinos" in the truest sense of the word.

However, not all mamalian albinos are completely white. There are mamals (and people) that are tyrosinase positive or tyrosinase negative, which may or may not show some coloration. The reason for this is because the depression of pigment production is incomplete in some way.



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Just one more thing

You said that a blizzard corn is lucistic, but that's untrue. No lucistic corn has ever been recorded. Lucistic means NO PATTERN AT ALL with BLUE OR BLACK EYES. Snows can devlop residual pigment and have red eyes. You can't "make" a lucistic, it's a seperate gene.

But hey, I was quoted up there, lol!

Oh, and about housing corns together, I have kept my two oldest together since they were a few months old (and before that, they ere house together with their siblings) ndhave never had a problem. I feed them seperatly and they're now being hibernated in seperate containers.
 
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