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Gunshots outside of my window...I'm so tired of gangs...

Cegninedorf

Twang'em into trees!
(I just have to get this off on my chest/out of my brain, and I'm just curious about the experiences/reactions of others to similar situations...)

Currently, outside my apt window, there are 13 police officers and 4 police cars and 1 police wagon...and those are only the ones that I can see from my street corner. There are far too many leafy trees in the way, but I can see the flashing lights through the trees of all of the other police cars by the other end of the yellow Caution tape that has now cordoned off my generally busy street completely for the past 3 hours. Shortly after getting home tonight, I heard the squeal of tires, and then 6 distinct gunshots, and some crying. I will find out if someone died later on the news tonight. However, I know without a doubt that the shooting is gang-related. It's just the way it is.

I know that gangs live in my neighborhood -- Gangster Disciples to the north of me by one block, and they control a huge amount of territory north and west, and then the Latin Kings are to the west and south of me, and their territory is growing based upon the graffiti I see on buildings closer to my school...in fact, several middle schoolers at my school come in their black & gold already (Latin King colors). (In the book "The Gang Book" which is endorsed by the Chicago Police Dept, there are something like 100+ gangs in this city; on a map of my area, I could pinpoint which gangs were around me & how their territory has grown since it's publication date last year...)

At school, I see scrawlings on the girls' restroom doors in the second grade floor that state "Down with LK, King Killaz" and "GD 4-ever" and the symbols for the two gangs. It's scary. I lend out my books on gangs & gang violence -- Reymundo Sanchez's "My Bloody Life" and "Once a King, Always a King", Luis Rodriguez's "La Vida Loca" and Saniya Shakur's "Monster" -- to one kid/LK in particular to wake him up...he reads them, and asks me for more, but because of his wildly unstable home life, this is the only consistent relationship he has. My boyfriend, who is also his soccer coach and a school security guard, has gotten close with the kid & talks with him about the reality of gangs, and how he himself saw people shot in the street while growing-up on the westside (Pilsen neighborhood) due to gang violence. It's not pretty at all.

I used to walk home through the Gangster Disciples (GD) late at night while in grad school, after I'd get off the train...I wasn't too aware at the time of which gang it was, and occasionally I'd walk straight through their street meetings or undercover police investigations because I'd be thinking about whatever happened in school or things to do or reading; I was never bothered (I figured it out later on because of the men with the bullet-proof vests on & those who were combing on the ground and sometimes the yellow Caution tape; I'm really not that oblivious!). One 20 year-old former member even told me that I had nothing to worry about when we talked about the local gangs. Sure, I don't look like a threat, but if I happened to be walking by the wrong person at the wrong time...

Even at my school where I teach -- 3 blocks from my apt and right up against Latin King territory, which has taken over the high school next door to us -- the kids can't have recess because of accidental shootings from drive-bys. Fortunately, the latest one that I can think of happened while only the teachers were at school in a meeting; it was a half-day and the kids had already gone home. (Right outside of our meeting room, four shots were fired at a guy/an enemy walking his dog; only the dog's paw was hit.)

I'm still going to teach at this school for a couple more years, but I'm tired of the neighborhood. I'm moving to the southeastern side of the city; when I tell colleagues that I'm moving to the southside, I get looks of shock and fear. I'd spent quite a bit of time on the southside for a previous job and I was really surprised at how beautiful and well-maintained the area is; I just happen to work with a lot of narrow-minded people, I guess. I am tired of the increasing amount of violence around me. Dealing with the 45-min drive to & from school will be worth it, I think, if I don't have to worry about drive-bys, I guess. A couple of summers ago, I even saw a car speed up, fly through the stop sign at the intersection and slam into a parked car, pushing it up onto the sidewalk...then back up, hit it again, and speed away. It was on purpose. What if someone was crossing the street at that moment? Or on the sidewalk? Or -- *what if???* -- it was the wrong car???

After this shooting tonight, I'm just glad that I'm officially out of my apt on the 30th. Perhaps that sounds like I'm a 'fraidy cat for wanting out, but I have to look out for myself...because to gang members, I really am just someone in the way of their real target and a tally mark if I go down. I really no longer feel like taking that risk. Granted, this doesn't happen every day...but I just haven't seen it get better here, yet. Hopefully someday.

And that's the end of my spiel.
 
Just be carefull. Living in this constant stress can cause depression and other health problems. Stay safe, don't stand in front of your windows with a light on behind you; but, you probably know all this.

Please be aware of where you are when walking in the streets.

I grew up in Queens, one of the five boroughs of New York City. Gangs were not that big where I grew up or during the time I grew up. But I knew I had to be carefull in order to survive.

I hope you can get out of that environment soon so you can feel safer and more secure.
 
I really understand how you feel, I lived in Chicago (Belmont and Cicero area) I went to St Bart's. Now this was many moons ago, but I was terrified mostly at night. It was gangsters I was afraid of, we lived over an Italian deli, a flower shop(she did funerals for lots of Italians) and a bar named Jimmy Diamond's. If it wasn't gangsters it was those big city rats, YUK! Thankfully we only lived there for about 18 months while my Dad was in Okinowa (sp?).
Can't even say I hope things get better, because that isn't going to happen any time soon. susan
 
:-offtopic SueC, you have been one minute ahead of me on last two posts, what are the odds???lol susan
 
susang said:
It was gangsters I was afraid of, we lived over an Italian deli

Did you hear about the latest mob trial going on in Chicago? It's called
"the city's biggest organized crime trial" in years...maybe you'll recognize some names...or even yet, a former neighbor??? :rolleyes: I heard that mobsters used to roll in my area -- Rogers Park -- years ago...then again, where didn't they go?
 
Update...

So, per the news just now, when the police stopped a well-known 20 year old gang member who was acting suspiciously and showed to be carrying a gun, the gang member took off running and when the police tried to stop him, firing happened, and the gang member was killed.

I can only imagine what retaliation will follow now...
 
Cegninedorf said:
Did you hear about the latest mob trial going on in Chicago? It's called
"the city's biggest organized crime trial" in years...maybe you'll recognize some names...or even yet, a former neighbor??? :rolleyes: I heard that mobsters used to roll in my area -- Rogers Park -- years ago...then again, where didn't they go?
I haven't heard of this trial, doubt I would remember names it was a really long time ago, really long time. But seriously Italian Deli, my Mom worked for the florist a widow (strange death of her husband) she really did a lot of Italian and Polish funerals, and it really was Jimmy Diamond's, with alot of black cars and guys in dark suits. Compared to what you're going thru the rats would be a breeze.
You be safe, honestly I would probably live with ten bolts on the doors, bars on the windows and live in the center of my apt. susan
 
this may be a dumb question, but do you arm yourself? I can't imagine living somewhere like that and not having anything to protect myself with. as it is I have to carry my diving knife and ankle sheath whenever I got to downtown KCK just so that I don't feel paranoid. I actually ended up having to use it once though, so I guess it's not unjustified paranoia.
 
Yikes! I am such a scardy cat when it comes to cities. My older sister lives in Chicago and I tell her to move out of there all the time, plus my little sister is taking a bus down there to see her in a few weeks....now I'm even more paranoid about it. When I was in Chicago recently we took the green line (EL) into a rough part of town and I was freaking out....like hyperventilating, I know I'm terrible. Actually when I heard that my little sister was going down there on a bus I immediately went online and bought her some pepper spray! :p Good luck and be safe ;)


---Kenny
 
Shade said:
this may be a dumb question, but do you arm yourself? I can't imagine living somewhere like that and not having anything to protect myself with. as it is I have to carry my diving knife and ankle sheath whenever I got to downtown KCK just so that I don't feel paranoid. I actually ended up having to use it once though, so I guess it's not unjustified paranoia.

Nope, I don't even carry Mace. (I once got into a conversation with a member of the Coast Guard and he described their training to be able to carry Mace -- you had to endure being Maced, essentially...if you don't know what it's about, then you shouldn't carry it, is what it comes down to...and I respected that...) What I will do is an age-old trick that my mother told me: when I do feel nervous (which turned out to be often enough on my dark streets...and I really live in a pretty nice area!), I will take my ring of keys and slip a key between each finger of my fist. Then, I got a "tiger claw" for my keychain...kind of like this one: http://www.safetycentral.com/catclawselde.html I really don't go out much at night & aside from my walking from the train station at night during grad school, I also try to not be out & alone.

Although...I do now have a Swiss Army knife on my keyring, but that's because it came with the Eddie Bauer binoculars I bought the night I went to the ballet so that I could see. :) I figure that I will fight my heart out when & if I ever have to, but if someone is bound and determined to take me, then there really isn't anything that I can do...I don't mean to sound full of self-defeat, but I do try to keep an eye out on my surroundings, listen to things going on around me (of course, all except if I'm just getting off the train... :rolleyes: ) and naturally, mind my own business. However, if someone drives by me & shoots, no amount of Mace will save me then...
 
DogStar5988 said:
Yikes! I am such a scardy cat when it comes to cities. My older sister lives in Chicago and I tell her to move out of there all the time, plus my little sister is taking a bus down there to see her in a few weeks....now I'm even more paranoid about it. When I was in Chicago recently we took the green line (EL) into a rough part of town and I was freaking out....like hyperventilating, I know I'm terrible. Actually when I heard that my little sister was going down there on a bus I immediately went online and bought her some pepper spray! :p Good luck and be safe ;)


---Kenny

If the nonsense that is *still* going on outside (the so-called "investigation") happened every day, then I'd have been out of here sooner, too. However, it doesn't, and I don't live in a battle-zone area...so, it's been ok. I still don't like it, but there are some areas of Chicago that are very lovely. In fact, per the police maps in The Gang Book, most of downtown is unoccupied territory. If your sister lives downtown, she has just about nothing to worry about, as far as gangs are concerned. :) Granted, they're everywhere, but just not as strongly there...

As for the green line: you went south or west? South isn't so bad...sure, parts look run-down, but it's not so bad...west, well -- it's getting better. The public schools in the west are improving by leaps & bounds. I'd love to teach over there (yes, in Pilsen...). There is a ton of growing gangs in the suburbs, though...so maybe it's safer for your sister to stay in the city.

I plan to stay in the city, as well, but I'm just voicing my frustration with the nonsense here...and I know full well that I'm far from the only one who has even the slightest experience with gangs. In fact, what I experience is extremely tame in comparison, so by no means do I want to come off as complaining, either!
 
Cegninedorf said:
Nope, I don't even carry Mace. (I once got into a conversation with a member of the Coast Guard and he described their training to be able to carry Mace -- you had to endure being Maced, essentially...if you don't know what it's about, then you shouldn't carry it, is what it comes down to...and I respected that...) What I will do is an age-old trick that my mother told me: when I do feel nervous (which turned out to be often enough on my dark streets...and I really live in a pretty nice area!), I will take my ring of keys and slip a key between each finger of my fist. Then, I got a "tiger claw" for my keychain...kind of like this one: http://www.safetycentral.com/catclawselde.html I really don't go out much at night & aside from my walking from the train station at night during grad school, I also try to not be out & alone.

Although...I do now have a Swiss Army knife on my keyring, but that's because it came with the Eddie Bauer binoculars I bought the night I went to the ballet so that I could see. :) I figure that I will fight my heart out when & if I ever have to, but if someone is bound and determined to take me, then there really isn't anything that I can do...I don't mean to sound full of self-defeat, but I do try to keep an eye out on my surroundings, listen to things going on around me (of course, all except if I'm just getting off the train... :rolleyes: ) and naturally, mind my own business. However, if someone drives by me & shoots, no amount of Mace will save me then...

I wouldn't waste time with mace or pepper spray either. I won't trust my life or the lives of those I love to a can of herbs.
 
I live in one of the most violent cities in the country in a beautiful home in one of Memphis' historic (old) districts. I can walk to the zoo, live theater and music venues, and some great restaurants...but it can be dangerous to the unwary.

We have a gangs here, but it is crushing poverty, plentiful drugs, and a culture of me first that is the problem here. Our jails are more populated than our high schools. You could gather ten 21 year old Memphis mothers in a room and they would average three children apiece, all from different fathers, and only three of the 30 fathers would be supporting their children. Even fewer would be married to the mother of his children and living in the same home.

Finally, guns are too easily acquired and accepted. What is with this reverence for the gangsta culture? I don't like your clothes. I don't like your haircuts. I don't like your values. Take this as racist if you want (I have impeccable civil rights credentials), but this is not an ethnic heritage to take pride in.

We have a proud African American family here in Memphis that is an excellent example of what African American values are really about. Maybe you've seen them on the Food Network. They are the Neely family and I've known them most of my life. They own a chain of barbecue restaurants here. Every family member of age is employed. Every family member finished high school. Most of the current generation are college educated. Every child is legitimate and lives with their father. When one member needs help all the family is there to support them. Oh yeah, they all speak perfect English, wear their pants at their waist lines, and are neatly coiffed. Forget that they are an African American family. They are an American family we all could emulate.

You think Iraq is a war zone? We are growing a generation of angry, disenfranchised young men in our cities. This is a problem that dwarfs any terrorist threat we will every see on our shores. OK, I'll stop before this rant really gets out of hand. Keep close care of your children. They are your legacy.
 
This sounds more like a war zone than home (unless you live in down town Baghdad) We have a couple of gangs over here,but only in our big cities.
I live in a city but its a very small city, we have murders- but not many maybe about 5-10 a year. I mean I complain about the state of my neighbourhood, but you've just pointed out I live in Disney land compaired to you lot.
 
susang said:
:-offtopic SueC, you have been one minute ahead of me on last two posts, what are the odds???lol susan

Identical Twins :sidestep:

Great minds think alike :shrugs:

You are hiding in my back pocket :grin01:

Great Karma. :crazy02:
 
I know St. Louis isn't as bad as Chicago, but I recently moved from St. Louis for that reason. I had my son and was pregnant with my daughter when I was working at a telemarketing place over there. A guy I talked to at work often needed a ride home so I took him one night. About 3 blocks from his house, this group of guys started yelling and running at the car, then opened fire. I drove like never before all the way into the next neighborhood. Then I stopped and asked him what the hell that was about. He said he's GD and they were members of a rival gang. I dropped him off at his house and never went back to work. When the shootings started RIGHT OUTSIDE MY DOOR, I sent my son to my moms and moved out QUICK.

The gangs will likely never stop. It's really sad, but the only way to get away from them is to move. Before I got out of my place(it was a first floor apartment), I always scanned the block before parking. I had 911 on speed dial, I did the key thing when walking, and when inside, I didn't even sit in my living room(it had a big picture window in my living room). I was always scared, because you can't always tell who's who and which one is dangerous.

Good luck and stay safe!!
 
Wow! Good luck and stay safe, Ceg. Sometimes I forget that gang violence is a very real thing and a lot of innocent folk are hurt by it.

I live in a state that has few gangs to begin with; then add in the fact that I live in rural farm county, and it begins to be so easy to forget stuff like that. Not like a cow or corn field is gonna do a drive-by, I guess.

Do what you need to do; I highly doubt any of us will think you a chicken for protecting yourself. Once again, good luck and stay safe. :)
 
Shade said:
I wouldn't waste time with mace or pepper spray either. I won't trust my life or the lives of those I love to a can of herbs.

It doesn't work on everyone, and after you spray the bad guy, and he's writhing around on your living room floor, then what??

But I still have a can on my nightstand, end table in the living room, and in my truck, since I don't have guns sprinkled about my house.

I'm glad to work in a small college town, and live outside an even smaller town. We get way less than ten murders a year. Although we did have a serial killer, but before I lived here.

I hate everything to do with big cities- crime, noise, pollution, traffic, crowding. None of the conveniences are worth it, IMO.

Just looked up the pop. of my city: 7500 in 2005. :grin01:

Nanci
 
Fun fact about "my" city:

The largest Hare Krishna community in the Western Hemisphere is located in Alachua.

Nanci
 
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