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An interesting outside perspective of the USA.

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On my ArmsLocker forum, there is a member from Argentina who has been posting there regularly lately. One of the other members asked him why he was so interested in America. I think you will find his response interesting, to say the least....
Jorge_Banner said:
Who am I is simple enough. I’m an Argentinean, living in Buenos Aires, I’m an analyst-programmer and one of my hobbies is arms so I found this forum.

I’ve been studying about America for quite a long time. I’ve come to love America for her moral and political stands. I’ve come to love Americans because you are the best people in the world. You are the sanest, cleanest, brightest and most generous people in the history of mankind I know of. You generosity can’t be compared to any other people in history. You have conquered Europe twice and then went home. You have conquered Japan and then went home. You have fought and won the most important wars in the history of man, you have established freedom back were it had been taken away and then went home after helping set countries up again, in freedom. Most other civilizations would have built and empire for themselves and try to keep it forever by force. Not Americans. You are the real deal, simply good people, honest and good. I don’t want to bore people with the so many reasons I love America just this planet would not be what it is without American influence. That’s why I’m interested in America.

I’m also en expert on collectivism, socialism, fascism, you name it, because that’s the society I live in and the kind of government that Argentinean stupidity determines that will be our form of government, again and again and again. So I know what a socialist goon does to a country and the deleterious effect that collectivism and socialism has on society.

Put those fact together and it won’t be difficult for you to understand just how much distress it causes me to see the light of the free world in peril of being extinguished by Americans choosing socialism as your for of government. It hurts my guts just to think about it. You see, outside of America, people look at Americans as the keepers of Freedom, the light in the hand of the Statue of Liberty does not only shine for Americans, people look at that light and see hope and the possibility of being free, not only in America but everywhere. People in fear, people without freedom see America and they say to themselves that if Americans are free, maybe they can be free too, that freedom does exist and there’s a chance to imitate Americans and establish freedom, everywhere.

If the light of freedom were to be put out in America the world would have nowhere to look up to and there would be no more light. There would be no more “if they did it maybe we can, too”. It would be “yeah, they tried, the best tried and then they failed”. Collectivists and haters of freedom all around the planet will say “see? Even the Americans have chosen socialism, who are you, worm, to protest against it and pretend to be free?! There’s no freedom. Even the Americans abandoned that fool’s dream! Freedom? What freedom?”

If the greatest, freest, most glorious experiment on freedom in the history of man, fails and chooses socialism then the light will be extinguished maybe forever.

There’s very little I can do about it except to participate in forums and write letters and try to influence people. I became a Life Member of JPFO because after examining my options I decided they were the most aggressive organization in the defense of such an important aspect as the right to keep and bear arms. It is not much that I can do to help keep the light of Freedom shining. But what I can, I do.

I hope you consider this a reasonable answer. If not, ask away.
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While I think the writer of that doesn't understand what a hegemony is, the US has been a positive force in the world for the most part. I think he's wrong that socialism isn't free - Canada is fairly heavily socialist and I enjoy many freedoms, in some ways, more freedom than Americans do.

About the only thing in there that I think is egregiously wrong is that America is the only nation promoting freedom.
 
While I firmly believe America is the best country in many ways, we have serious flaws, too. If these people who "read" about America and think it's some Utopia actually lived here, they would have a more realistic view of our nation. We're great, but we're not perfect.
 
I wouldn't agree with that... Not at all. This guy obviously hasn't done enough research. Why are they the sanest, brightest, cleanest and most generous people in the world? They have one of the highest homicide rates in the World, many of the World's greatest people and inventions have come from outside of America. Cleanest... I'm not even gonna bother responding to that, and with regards to generosity, yes, they're a generous nation with regards to humanitarian aid, but how much damage have they caused whilst they try to police the World? (*cough* Agent Orange *cough*)

Conquered Europe twice... I think you mean helped to defeat the Axis twice, but coming in late and taking all the glory after all the hard work has been done. Conquered Japan? Only because they're the only nation to use nukes... There are positive and negative aspects of using 'em, of course, and you could argue that an all-out slug fest would have cost more lives. But the damage is still going on today. America wasn't the only country to win the World Wars, Britain would still be a great power (still a huge global influence, just not a superpower anymore...) if it wasn't for the crippling costs of those wars, America just came in late and took the glory...

This guy is making out like history starts with America... it doesn't. America is a toddler of this World compared to a lot of countries, and I find this guy's views pretty insulting, to be honest.

Also, how can you define the greatest county in the World? By how much money it has? There is no 'greatest country in the World'...
 
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Snake Dave said:
Also, how can you define the greatest county in the World? By how much money it has? There is no 'greatest country in the World'...
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As measured by the credit line extended to us by China. :sidestep:

I love my country, and will defend her to our mutual death; but I can't claim the USA is the "greatest", as it's such a vague term.

regards,
jazz
 
Snake Dave said:
Conquered Europe twice... I think you mean helped to defeat the Axis twice, but coming in late and taking all the glory after all the hard work has been done.
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All the hard work? The US was absolutely pounded during the invasion of Normandy. The UK had managed to stop the German lines at the English Strait, but without the US' involvement most of Europe may still be under German control. The US has a higher casualty count for the war than the UK does, remember.

Your post shares a curious trait with many Americans who claim sole credit for the winning of World War 2 - you gloss over history in order to thump your chest when the war itself was a massive collaborative effort by many nations. Don't minimize the American contribution, it's no better.
 
Nova_C said:
All the hard work? The US was absolutely pounded during the invasion of Normandy. The UK had managed to stop the German lines at the English Strait, but without the US' involvement most of Europe may still be under German control. The US has a higher casualty count for the war than the UK does, remember.

Your post shares a curious trait with many Americans who claim sole credit for the winning of World War 2 - you gloss over history in order to thump your chest when the war itself was a massive collaborative effort by many nations. Don't minimize the American contribution, it's no better.
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Actually, the US doesn't have a higher casuality count for the war than the UK does. The UK lost 450,400 people, the US lost 418,500.

So was the United Kingdom (with regards to the Normandy reference), as you said, it was a collaborative effort. I wasn't minimalising anything, I was simply stating my frustration at the fact that many people believe that WWII was won by the Americans, and the Americans only. As you said, it was a combined effort of many nations. I wasn't 'thumping my chest' at anything, I prefer 'waving my fist'.
 
I meant military deaths.

Obviously the UK would have a higher civilian death toll since the island itself was bombed repeatedly. At any rate, I'm still pretty sure that "coming in late and taking all the glory after all the hard work has been done" constitutes minimizing the US' contribution.
 
jazzgeek said:
With or without an extended finger? ;)

regards,
jazz
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Naa, I'm not that rude. Besides, I do like the US, LOL.

Nova, if you want to over-analyse every single thing that I say, then go ahead. I've already said that I recognise the US' contributions to the war effort, as they were essential, now drop it. Things were said in the heat of the moment, my point was, is that the US didn't have to endure the same kind of punishment many European countries and their citizens did, but the credit for winning the war remains theirs. That was my point. Now let's just leave it, okay?
 
Jorge_Banner said:
You have conquered Europe twice and then went home. You have conquered Japan and then went home. You have fought and won the most important wars in the history of man, you have established freedom back were it had been taken away and then went home after helping set countries up again, in freedom. Most other civilizations would have built and empire for themselves and try to keep it forever by force.
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Pretty poignant observation . . .

D80
 
the british army is the best organised and hardest trained, most highly skilled army on the planet barr none.
the US army might be a lot bigger, but worldwide the uk forces have always been renowned for what they do.
i dont think for one minute that germany would rule us, ever.
 
tom e said:
Better than the US Army? You and history will have to agree to disagree!:devil01:
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I assume you're referring to the Continental Army defeating us and then the signing of the Treaty of Paris?

I think he means modern day, LOL. Besides, I don't know how you can compare the two accurately, as they're both widespread and professional fighting forces. You could argue that because of the SAS and the influence that is has, and the fact that it has been copied and used a model for other special forces around the World, that the UK has a better trained army.

Anyway, they're both brilliant armies, so why are we bothering to compare them?
 
Snake Dave said:
I assume you're referring to the Continental Army defeating us and then the signing of the Treaty of Paris?

I think he means modern day, LOL. Besides, I don't know how you can compare the two accurately, as they're both widespread and professional fighting forces. You could argue that because of the SAS and the influence that is has, and the fact that it has been copied and used a model for other special forces around the World, that the UK has a better trained army.

Anyway, they're both brilliant armies, so why are we bothering to compare them?
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thats it mate.. i dont need to look at my history.. it doesnt really matter to be honest whos the best... i think most countris people will try and tell you thast theirs is.
 
even though everyones points are right to some extent, it is still kinda nice to know not all foreigners think were a bunch of dim witted yankee bums
 
When you guys are done singing "My dog is bigger than your dog" go back and read the OP.

Regardless whose army is defending you and whose populations is bleeding the most, most of the people on this forum enjoy freedoms that the majority of the world can only look at with envy. Most of the people on this forum have never lived in fear of their government or of their own armies.

I'm damn proud to be part of that and proud of ALL the people who fought and died that I might enjoy that freedom.

When you figure out whose dog is biggest, go back are read the OP. Listen to what the man is saying.
 
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