Min. size sterilite tub for adult corn?

Whats the mininmum sized tub I would need for an adult corn snake?

I'm trying to decide what morph I want for my 40g, but I'm realizing that I'm not being serious when I think I can be happy with just one corn snake.

32qt would be fine

thank you triple moon!

Depends on how often you want to clean cages. Many breeders will use something along the lines of a 20 qt, but they must clean more often, and often suffer from fat under-exercised, that will at time get egg bound and die (not always, but it does happen more often). Others use a 30-32 qt size tub with far less problems, as well they dont have to clean the cages as often. Personally all my adults are in larger (30-32qt) tubs.

Eww, why would a larger tub mean you don't have to clean it out so often?
If it's dirty, no matter what size, it should be cleaned.

Isn't 20 quart like a sweater box? I can't imagine who the "many breeders" are that would keep their adult corns in something so small. I have a couple yearling (07s) in 20 quarts that I feel guilty I haven't bumped into something bigger yet!

TripleMoonsExotic said:

Eww, why would a small tub mean you don't have to clean it out so often?
If it's dirty, no matter what size, it should be cleaned.

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In a perfect world snake cages get cleaned ever time a snake poops. In the real world when a person has 100+ animals, they get cleaned when they get a chance, which may be once a week, or may be once every two weeks. With smaller cages one is forced to clean every week, weather animals have been fed or not. With a larger cage one can afford to wait if need be.

mike17l said:

In a perfect world snake cages get cleaned ever time a snake poops. In the real world when a person has 100+ animals, they get cleaned when they get a chance, which may be once a week, or may be once every two weeks. With smaller cages one is forced to clean every week, weather animals have been fed or not. With a larger cage one can afford to wait if need be.

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I've had 100+ reptiles (I've downsized to about 50 give or take since we're having a baby), and my animals got cleaned at least once a week no matter what size tub they were in. If you're letting a snake that poos as much as colubrids do sit in a dirty tub for 2 weeks, I think it's time you seriously think about downsizing. uke02:

TripleMoonsExotic said:

I've had 100+ reptiles (I've downsized to about 50 give or take since we're having a baby), and my animals got cleaned at least once a week no matter what size tub they were in. If you're letting a snake that poos as much as colubrids do sit in a dirty tub for 2 weeks, I think it's time you seriously think about downsizing. uke02:

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Well, I never said I did that. But, With a larger tub, they dont "sit in a dirty tub".

mike17l said:

Well, I never said I did that. But, With a larger tub, they dont "sit in a dirty tub".

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When I said "you" I wasn't necessarily referring to you specifically...But in the general sense of the word.

Uhh, if that tub isn't being cleaned out but once every 2 weeks or so, yeah, they'd be sitting in a dirty tub. My colubrids (Hogs & Corns) poo once or twice a week...I couldn't imagine forcing them to sit in there feces for an extended period of time. Would you want yourself or your kid to sit in a dirty room like that? Yuck!

Heck, I clean hatchling bins twice a week because of how messy they are!

FIRST to the original poster: adult corns are commonly kept - WITH NO PROBLEMS - in tubs under 2' X 1.5' in size. Anything approaching that rough size is fine. Of course, I mean floor space. 6" in height is more than enough. Some go smaller,k but I don't think that is an avenue you want since it is not optimal. Some go larger (and larger IS always better as long as you can control temperatures properly!), but I don't personally feel it is necessary. Again, larger is usually better, but proper DIET (i.e., don't feed them too MUCH) will help more than a little more cage space.

Now to the hijackers, I don't think you realize which breeders you are saying should "get out," but it is kinda funny. I know what many of the large breeders use, and the ones that use "large" tubs is a rather low percentage. Right or wrong doesn't really come into it. "Real estate" available for cage space is the driving factor, it seems. For the records, it isn't me (and I ain't talkin' about which breeders use which cage sizes). My adult corns are all in V35 tubs. I use larger tubs because I can (and it means the snake isn't sitting in poop if the cage isn't cleaned immediately), but I'm not going to tell the breeders that use tubs significantly smaller than mine to get out of the hobby. We wouldn't HAVE a hobby like this if all of the GOOD breeders that do use small tubs weren't here.

The point on the larger tubs that I BELIEVE Mike is getting to is that a snake in a large tub can poop and them move to the other end of the cage until in dries. If the snake is parasite free, then there is NO DAMAGE to the snake if it crawls over the poop once dried. Nothing is saying it is "good," but just that it "is." In a small cage, the snake really can't get away from it, and then it is almost forced to sit (depending on this and that) to get into the wet poop.....and sores, blisters, loss of appetite, and infections become more likely even in a parasite-free snake. In other words, cleaning quickly is MUCH more important in smaller cages. To take it to ridiculous extremes: if you housed an adult cornsnake in a 9" cage, you'd need to clean it instantly, but you would never need to clean in a 2 acre cage.

A large cage is not a permit to stop cleaning your snakes' cages. I don't think anyone is saying that. I will say that someone with a smaller cage must worker HARDER to keep a cage clean "enough" and can't "slack off" as often as someone with a larger cage.

KJ

Lots of great input, and I have a question about the breeder topic.

You mean they keep adult snakes in those tubs, and breed them in other (larger?) tubs?

I would expect breeders to use smaller setups, the same way angelfish and discus breeders use smaller aquariums that what would be recommended to a person who is setting up an aquarium for their home.

So I guess instead of commercial breeders, what about average hobbyists who may or may not breed, but have multiple adults?

I was talking about keeping AND breeding in the same tub. I don't know about the rest. We have way too many snakes to move them to a new tub to breed in.

ohhh haha silly noob

KJUN said:

Now to the hijackers, I don't think you realize which breeders you are saying should "get out," but it is kinda funny. I know what many of the large breeders use, and the ones that use "large" tubs is a rather low percentage. Right or wrong doesn't really come into it. "Real estate" available for cage space is the driving factor, it seems. For the records, it isn't me (and I ain't talkin' about which breeders use which cage sizes). My adult corns are all in V35 tubs. I use larger tubs because I can (and it means the snake isn't sitting in poop if the cage isn't cleaned immediately), but I'm not going to tell the breeders that use tubs significantly smaller than mine to get out of the hobby. We wouldn't HAVE a hobby like this if all of the GOOD breeders that do use small tubs weren't here.

The point on the larger tubs that I BELIEVE Mike is getting to is that a snake in a large tub can poop and them move to the other end of the cage until in dries. If the snake is parasite free, then there is NO DAMAGE to the snake if it crawls over the poop once dried. Nothing is saying it is "good," but just that it "is." In a small cage, the snake really can't get away from it, and then it is almost forced to sit (depending on this and that) to get into the wet poop.....and sores, blisters, loss of appetite, and infections become more likely even in a parasite-free snake. In other words, cleaning quickly is MUCH more important in smaller cages. To take it to ridiculous extremes: if you housed an adult cornsnake in a 9" cage, you'd need to clean it instantly, but you would never need to clean in a 2 acre cage.

A large cage is not a permit to stop cleaning your snakes' cages. I don't think anyone is saying that. I will say that someone with a smaller cage must worker HARDER to keep a cage clean "enough" and can't "slack off" as often as someone with a larger cage.

KJ

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Read the posts, KJ. No one said a breeder should "get out" because of their choice of tub size. They should however downsize if they aren't taking care of the snakes and letting them sit in their own filth for weeks.

Their is no "hijacking" here...Simply a discussion on tub sizes and a clarification as to why someone would suggest that people "dont have to clean the cages as often."

Comparing a 9" cage to 2 acres is also completely different then comparing a 20qt to a 32qt. Apples and oranges.



Cohazard, I move a male into a females tub for breeding. I've noticed males pay more attention to the female rather then the new environment by doing it this way.

TripleMoonsExotic said:

Read the posts, KJ.
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Comparing a 9" cage to 2 acres is also completely different then comparing a 20qt to a 32qt. Apples and oranges.

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Take your own advice. What else would

KJUN said:

To take it to ridiculous extremes:

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mean other than that it analogy is false?

Thanks for the tip TME, I do hope to breed snakes some day.

You're welcome, Cohazard. Others have had success putting a male in a females cage or using a completely different tub. It just depends on your snakes and what you're comfortable with.

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What else would mean other than that it analogy is false?

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Your right, I did miss that one small line. However, you fabricated a complete situation that wasn't even posted about.

I was wondering who the hijackers ( I noticed that was plural ) are? If me, by directly answering the original question asked by the OP and giving my opinion about a 20 quart sized tub, I am not hijacking anything.
If breeding corns meant I had to sacrifice the quality of life of my animals by keeping them in undersized tubs and being so overwhelmed that I only had time to clean every couple of weeks, I would sell every corn I had rather than accept substandard conditions as "the norm". Whether you have one snake or thousands, they should still be treated with the respect and compassion every living creature deserves.

I keem mine in 32 qt sterlite tubs, hatchling-yearlings in 15 qt tubs. I have one male that is turning out to be quite a big boy so I upgraded him to a larger cage but that was mostly because I could. I saw a large oceanic lizard lounge for $35 at a second hand store and didn't think twice about buying it. Actually I think I grabbed it and yelled MINE! lol