Some pic-sharing for fun

Hey all,

Here are a few pics I thought I'd share... had a lot of fun with the Boas for the last couple of weeks and I thought I'd post'em...

But first... just an adorable picture of a two Pyromelana Pyromelana X Mexicana Alterna mating.... :



And here are the two fellas:

Thanks for peeking

Great shots! (It looks like the first two are the same, though...)

Yeah they are, I got goofy with the links from photobucket... and no edit button...

Umm...I don't see an alterna anywhere in these photos. Looks like a pyro X thayeri breeding in the first two photos...

Nice boa pics!

Both boas are lovely, but the first one is beautiful! I love the color.

tyflier said:

Umm...I don't see an alterna anywhere in these photos. Looks like a pyro X thayeri breeding in the first two photos...

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Umm, well, the mother IS an Alterna
The Mexicana complex is unto itself quite similar, and I have worked with Mexicana hybrids for a while now... they all end up looking like Thayeris cause... well, Thayeri's are so variable.

A mexicana intergrade is not an alterna. And I can tell you right now...there isn't an alterna anywhere in these pictures. There might very well be an alterna intergrade...but there is not a pure alterna in any of these pictures.

For a snake that is so definitively identifiable by sight...you hould be more careful in your descriptions. Snakes that are intergrades should not be referred to as a singular Latin specific name...If you're gonna use a Latin name to describer an intergrade, you should use both Latin names, not just one...

This should be even more true since alterna was seperated from the mexicana complex a number of years ago, and has earned full species status. It's not a Lampropeltis mexicana alterna anymore...it's just a Lampropeltis alterna...

Great Pics and thanks for sharing!!

Wayne

tyflier said:

A mexicana intergrade is not an alterna. And I can tell you right now...there isn't an alterna anywhere in these pictures. There might very well be an alterna intergrade...but there is not a pure alterna in any of these pictures.

For a snake that is so definitively identifiable by sight...you hould be more careful in your descriptions. Snakes that are intergrades should not be referred to as a singular Latin specific name...If you're gonna use a Latin name to describer an intergrade, you should use both Latin names, not just one...

This should be even more true since alterna was seperated from the mexicana complex a number of years ago, and has earned full species status. It's not a Lampropeltis mexicana alterna anymore...it's just a Lampropeltis alterna...

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Tyflier, whilest I generally appreciate your input- This time you are overdoing it. You live half a world away and want to tell me what happened here?
I know the parents of both snakes, the mother was an exceptionally beautiful Grey Banded Kingsnake- And that's it.

If you insist to think that you somehow grew the unnatural ability to detect the exact parentage of each hybrid or integrate... well, kudos to you, but in this case- your'e mistaken.

Honestly, I really don't get this behavior of roaming around the forums and challenging every person who says something that doesn't fit YOUR understanding of things.
It is not the first time either.

If you can't accept that sometimes you aren't aware of all the facts and try to force down my throat opinions that are based on a single picture... I would appreciate it if you could avoid replying to my threads, or I will simply start ignoring them.

The person who owns the parents of these two animals is in the herp field for over 30 years now. The Lampropeltis Alterna is extremely variable as it is- and no, they all do NOT look the same.
Have fun deducting all sorts of false conclusions, I only politely request that you spare them.

These are hybrids, they were never described as being anything else, they both are proven breeders, and that's about it.

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Sorry that this thread took such a redundant turn,
Thank you for the kind words

Beautiful snakes, the Boas look great out in the sun.
I particularly like the first shot (what ever they are...), those snakes looked photo shopped... LOL
Excellent contrast .
That pic cropped would make a great banner...

I wrote a bunch of stuff...I cleared up my confusion...

Just to clarify--This is the line that threw me off:

...But first... just an adorable picture of a two Pyromelana Pyromelana X Mexicana Alterna mating.... :

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I fully admit that I misread this line, and thought you were saying that the picture was a pyro and an alterna mating. Clearly, the photo is not of a pyro and an alterna. After our discussion, I went back and re-read, and I see that you mean BOTH of these snakes are pyro X alterna, not a pyro AND an alterna.

I apologize for the confusion. Hopefully you can see where my question originally came in. As well, I hope you can understand why I would disprove of calling either of those snakes an alterna.

Pleaser accept my humble apology for my own confusion.

The boas are stunning, by the way...

tyflier said:

I wrote a bunch of stuff...I cleared up my confusion...

Just to clarify--This is the line that threw me off:

I fully admit that I misread this line, and thought you were saying that the picture was a pyro and an alterna mating. Clearly, the photo is not of a pyro and an alterna. After our discussion, I went back and re-read, and I see that you mean BOTH of these snakes are pyro X alterna, not a pyro AND an alterna.

I apologize for the confusion. Hopefully you can see where my question originally came in. As well, I hope you can understand why I would disprove of calling either of those snakes an alterna.

Pleaser accept my humble apology for my own confusion.

The boas are stunning, by the way...

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I can understand where your confusion came from, indeed none of them look like an Alterna... or even Pyromelana.
There are similarities but... they are definitely, visibly, different.
At any rate as I live in Israel, the likelihood of these fellas hitting the market are rather slim. But even if they were, they are presented as Hybrids- these are a second generation of hybrids and have proven themselves fertile... so in a way they are even more unique than their parents...
That does not mean I am going to rob people of their choice- buy a hybrid or not, by fooling them.

Thank you for your kind words about the Boas

correction, the parents presented here are first generation hybrids... their youngs will be second...
They both produced amazing babies in the past which are second generation...