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Kennedy dies... The end of an era.......

snakewispera snr

The Devils Advocate
Edward Kennedy dies at 77; 'liberal lion of the Senate'

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat and icon of American liberal politics who was the last surviving brother of a legendary political family, died late Tuesday at his home in Hyannis Port, Mass., his family announced. He was 77.

Kennedy had been in declining health since having a seizure in May 2008. Subsequent tests determined that he had a malignant brain tumor.

Kennedy had not been to the Capitol since April, missing the passage in June of his groundbreaking measure to regulate tobacco. In July, he could not participate in the drafting of healthcare legislation in his role as chairman of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions.

He did not attend the funeral for his sister, Eunice Kennedy Shriver, who died Aug. 11, or a White House ceremony during which he was awarded a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

A popular figure on both sides of the aisle in the Senate, Kennedy electrified his colleagues in July 2008 when he appeared briefly to vote on a measure to stave off a cut in Medicare fees to doctors who treat seniors, military personnel and their families and others. The measure passed on a 69-30 vote.

Kennedy was greeted with a wild reception from the party faithful in August 2008 on the first night of the Democratic National Convention in Denver. He addressed the gathering in a strong, steady voice, predicting that "this November, the torch will be passed to a new generation of Americans," a reference to Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, who was elected president three months later. Kennedy's endorsement of Obama in January 2008 was credited as an important validation of the senator's bid to win the nomination against Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

As the standard-bearer for the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, the square-jawed "Ted" or "Teddy" Kennedy believed in government's ability to help solve people's problems, and over the decades he learned how to wield power in the Senate to move the government in that direction. He found numerous ways to work with Republican administrations and senators to fashion significant legislation on issues he cared deeply about.

Kennedy became a national figure after his brothers, President John F. Kennedy and presidential hopeful Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, were assassinated in the 1960s. Many Americans still yearned for a Kennedy who could occupy the White House, and they looked to the youngest of the Kennedy brothers to fulfill those hopes.

But his public image and political fortunes suffered an indelible stain on July 18, 1969, when he drove his Oldsmobile off a bridge into the water on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts. He survived without serious injury, but his female passenger, 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne, died. In a lapse of judgment that was never fully explained, Kennedy sought the help of friends and advisors and delayed reporting the accident to police for 10 hours.

Nothing he did afterward could wipe out the public memory of that lapse. Though he filled his life with decades of work for progressive causes, and though he became the beloved patriarch of his large and often troubled family, his behavior following the incident at Chappaquiddick still held the power to stun.

Partly because of lingering questions about his actions and his relationship with Kopechne, Kennedy did not run for president in 1972 and 1976. In 1980, apparently believing that enough time had passed, he launched a fierce primary challenge against unpopular President Jimmy Carter that roiled the Democratic Party. Republican Ronald Reagan defeated Carter handily in the general election.

After that last foray into presidential politics, Kennedy concentrated his efforts on the Senate, becoming one of that body's most effective members.

Though his most cherished legislative goal of universal health insurance eluded him, Kennedy helped write a number of laws that ranged from making it easier for workers who change or lose jobs to keep their health insurance, to giving 18-year-olds the right to vote, to deregulating the airlines, helping lower airfares.

He several times spearheaded legislation to raise the minimum wage and, in the early 1970s, wrote the law creating Meals on Wheels, which delivers meals to seniors. He was influential in reforming immigration laws and in expanding Head Start programs.

In 1982, he helped gain an extension of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and he was a principal sponsor of the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which negated Supreme Court decisions that made it more difficult for minorities to win lawsuits charging job discrimination by employers. In 1990, he worked with then-Sen. Robert J. Dole (R-Kan.) to gain passage of the landmark Americans With Disabilities Act giving disabled Americans greater access to employment, among other things. That same year, he was author of the Ryan White Comprehensive AIDS Resources Emergency (CARE) Act providing funds for community healthcare and support services.

And every major education law passed since the 1960s bears Kennedy's imprint, according to the National Education Assn., which gave Kennedy its highest award in 2000.

"Americans have so much affection for the Kennedy family, and they often fail to see past the legend and the celebrity," the group's then-president, Bob Chase, said at the time.

Through sheer energy and willingness to focus, Kennedy could challenge presidents and galvanize legislators of both parties around a given issue.

Following in the footsteps of his brother Robert, he was an early opponent of U.S. participation in the Vietnam War in the 1960s. In the 1970s, he criticized Carter's energy policy. In 1987, he was central to the defeat of Reagan's nomination of conservative Robert H. Bork to the Supreme Court, delivering a powerful denunciation of the president's choice on the Senate floor. He also fought Reagan over cuts to social programs and, in 1989, Kennedy denounced President George H.W. Bush's incursion into Panama to oust strongman Manuel Noriega...

Ted Kennedy dead: Mass. Senator, Ted Kennedy, dead after year-long battle with brain cancer -- latimes.com
 
I feel for the loss that his family is feeling, but I won't miss the misguided ideals. Sorry if you think I am rude!

Wayne
 
X2...
never happy when someone passes RIP...but wow... I don't think I EVER agreed with him in ideals and issues.
 
Wow...... I'm surprised at your reaction....
Obviously he wasn't very popular over here thanks to his support of the IRA,
but I thought you guys all liked him due to some of the social reforms he helped bring about......
 
Sorry Mike,,I never liked him.....at all....

Being the brother of an assassinated president currys alot of favor. For instance, you can not only get away with murder, but you also get a cover up AND an illustrious political career for free!! (wheras most of us poor saps would be doing hard time...)


However, I hope that wherever he is, Teddy has apoligized to Mary Jo (since he never did to her parents), and I hope that whatever he has done, or not done is forgiven by whatever higher power determines our destinies.
And I hope that they BOTH can rest in peace.....
 
Wow...... I'm surprised at your reaction....
Obviously he wasn't very popular over here thanks to his support of the IRA,
but I thought you guys all liked him due to some of the social reforms he helped bring about......

My mama taught me if you can't say anything nice about someone, don't say anything at all.

I'm going to not say encyclopedic VOLUMES about the survivor of Chappaquiddick. Tons of nothing about his "social reforms". Heaps, piles, and hordes of nothing. The forum's server farm doesn't have the capacity for the amount of nothing.

On a related note, I haven't seen that Mary Jo Kopechne has issued any statement on the issue.
 
Sorry Mike,,I never liked him.....at all....

Being the brother of an assassinated president currys alot of favor. For instance, you can not only get away with murder, but you also get a cover up AND an illustrious political career for free!! (wheras most of us poor saps would be doing hard time...)


However, I hope that wherever he is, Teddy has apoligized to Mary Jo (since he never did to her parents), and I hope that whatever he has done, or not done is forgiven by whatever higher power determines our destinies.
And I hope that they BOTH can rest in peace.....
No need to say sorry..........
Like I said, anyone who openly supports terrorism, especially against me (as a Brit) isn't going to rate very high in my respect.
I'm just shocked at the comments that are coming in.... Shocked that is, not upset.... Keep all your comments coming, I'm interested in knowing how you guys feel about him.....
I've spent over 2yrs here trying to get to know the American belief, trying to suss out you guys as a nation..... Then this happens, a totally unexpected response from you.....unexpected but not frowned upon by me....
God you think you know someone then this.....
 
And I will never understand why the good misguided people of Massachusetts kept voting him in over and over and over.....

Or why the people in my own state (Rhode Island) keep voting in his son, who is a substance abuser and can't even string together a coherent sentence......
 
Ditto what most have said. I feel for those that are in pain from his passing but I will not miss him!
 
1. i never did and never will like him. He was just another one of Obama's socialists. (lets not start a fight about this..)
or a White House ceremony during which he was awarded a Presidential Medal of Freedom.
I don't think he deserved it. What did he and all of those others get it for?
 
Murderer. Perfect legacy from an illegal booze runner. In the whole bunch, JFK was the only one who was really trying to do good....and his death was likely arranged by those who rode his shirttails to further prosperity. It's a shame.

I'm not losing any sleep over his death. I am not glad he is dead, but I am certainly not upset that he isn't voting away our rights any longer, either. Ideally, he'd still be alive (I never wished him dead) but completely without power. There - compassion, honesty, and an option that would have left America better off in the long run!

KJ
 
Beth you said it for me. The people of Massachusetts have got to be one fry short of a happy meal. I just amazed me every time he got reelected.

I guess I won’t speak ill of the dead, although I am not sorry that he is dead. I think if you repeatedly demonstrate the inability to make a rational decision, like the people of Massachusetts, I think you should loose the right to vote.

Does that sound harsh?
 
Wow... I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way about his passing. I never agreed with him and I've always wondered how folks like him CONTINUOUSLY get voted in (Pelosi, Boxer, Reid, et al). Beth and KJUN couldn't have said it better. The unfortunate thing in Beth's situation, his passing now probably CEMENTS his son's career in RI...

He's gone, and while I'm not happy with it, I'm not gonna grieve either. That being said, I do feel for his family and friends who are grieving right now. May they find peace...

Mike, please don't be offended, but I was fairly surprised by your reaction. Hearing your POV was interesting and I had not thought about his stance on the IRA in a long time. We hardly hear anything about the IRA anymore over here. I hope that's a good thing.
 
RIP Lion of the senate! Fourth of four brothers who gave every moment to his country, and one who lost three brothers to it as well.

I'm proud as hell that he inspires such anger in the right!! After all that's many a beat-down he's delivered over many years! Every Senator should be so successful..
 
Don't get me wrong, Tom... I respect a lot that JFK did... but "JFK's Democrat" and "Ted's Democrat" while they may have started in the same place, are WAAAYYYYY different from each other.
 
Don't get me wrong, Tom... I respect a lot that JFK did... but "JFK's Democrat" and "Ted's Democrat" while they may have started in the same place, are WAAAYYYYY different from each other.

Yep. JFK's policies then are pretty Republican now.

RIP Lion of the senate! Fourth of four brothers who gave every moment to his country, and one who lost three brothers to it as well.

I'm proud as hell that he inspires such anger in the right!! After all that's many a beat-down he's delivered over many years! Every Senator should be so successful..


By beat down, do you mean like the poor pregnant lover he drowned instead of helping? Is that the emblem Democrats REALLY want to use as their model? Hmmmmmm. Maybe. Abortion isn't enough. Killing babies that survive abortion isn't even enough. Drowning (or even just LETTING) the mom drown may finally be enough for this party, eh?

I'm sorry. I believe the Democrat ideal of saying they want ot help the lower class is a great ideal. I support that ideal. The democrats never seem to actually dfollow through with it, though. What they DO accomplish, however, just makes me sick. What they force down our throats is even worse than that - I can't stomach it at all. Our veterans that gave all don't deserve what we are turning this country into now. That's what bothers me. I don't think I dislike Democrats at all. I just think the democrats that get elected give the rest of the party a bad name. That's how it seems to be.
 
Way different indeed. What happens when you die and you don't get to accomplish as much is that your opponents will like you more than those who do.
 
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