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Please help me.

jesserca
07-14-2010, 10:11 PM
Our first clutch has been hatching for a few days. The parents are both bloodred het charcoal, and so far all the hatchlings have been nice bloodreds. Today the 12th egg hatched out and when I first saw it I was taken aback at how the snake looks. It has a diffused head and belly but the pattern and color looks like a mix between an miami and an okeetee, he is absolutely beautiful... I thought, now how did that happen?
Then I picked him up and he is badly kinked, his tail is extremely curly-cued and I can't even straighten it. He has a bad kink right above his cloaca and I don't know if he could digest properly. Next he has a slit on his belly about a 1/2 an inch long, his intestines aren't sticking out, but there is a white piece hanging out, almost like he came out of the egg too early.
Other than his obvious defects, he is alert and weighs the same as his siblings, 6 grams.
I guess my main questions are as follows:

1. Will the kinks keep him from digesting correctly. I have one kinked snake, but its only his tail and I haven't seen one this badly kinked.
2. Why is his belly slit open, should I clean it even though I don't see any blood?
3. Do you think his color is just another one of his defects, have you even seen a bloodred look like this?
4. Do you think I should give this little guy a chance or put him in the fridge
On to the pics, thanks in advance.
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Thulsa
07-14-2010, 10:22 PM
My guess is you will probably have to put him down. He looks badly deformed.

cornsnakeforsale_com
07-14-2010, 11:12 PM
Yeah, I've got 3 kinks right now. Two of them don't look like they'll interfere with life too much, the 3rd... I'm not so sure. Maybe give him a chance to eat and see where it goes?

desertanimal
07-14-2010, 11:42 PM
I will answer question #4. I would euthanize it.

Susan
07-15-2010, 06:36 AM
I will answer question #4. I would euthanize it.

I concur. The open umbilicus alone is reason enough. At that size, the chance of infection is tremendous and a small hatchling, already compromised, just won't be able to fight it off, and death by septicemia is very painful.

Christen
07-15-2010, 12:41 PM
Unfortunatly, I agree with the others. If it was just the tail I would say give it a shot but the other kinks are bad enough that I don't think that it would be able to digest food and the open belly, it would be a matter of a very short time that it would get infected and that is a very painful way to go once you are septic. I am sorry that you have to go through that.

BloodyBaroness
07-15-2010, 02:03 PM
I concur. The open umbilicus alone is reason enough. At that size, the chance of infection is tremendous and a small hatchling, already compromised, just won't be able to fight it off, and death by septicemia is very painful.

I'm got to go with Susan on this one. I hate it for the little fella but you can save the guy a lot of pain by doing the kind thing for him.

If he just had a minor kink, it might be worth a try, but the open umbilicus is just not good.

I'm so sorry you have to go through this.

Emanon
07-15-2010, 02:17 PM
sorry for the tough decision but it is the best thing to do for the animal. I have been there done that.

jesserca
07-15-2010, 04:33 PM
Thanks for the advice guys, he is such a sweetie, but such is life. I'm going to wait till my husband gets home, I don't want him to suffer. Any ideas on what's gonna on with that color, just another of his abnormalities?

sinisterserpents1
07-15-2010, 05:36 PM
Yeah I'd let the poor fella go on also. That tail is crazy. I just had to put one down myself this year. It had a 90 degree turn at the tail and I knew he wouldn't make it. Plus it was soooo tiny. As for the open slit in the belly, I had one last year that had that and within 2-3 days it dried up and fused together and she's doing fine now. I just kept it dry and clean. But your lil guy looks like he's in pretty bad shape. Sorry for that.

cornsnake2010
07-18-2010, 02:48 PM
hey , if you still have him we could take him in , what you said was a slit, it is where the egg is attached ,like an umbilical on a baby , please pm me , many thanks

bitsy
07-18-2010, 04:37 PM
Bear in mind that the OP is in the States - most folks here are, as it's a US-based board (although there are some of us Brits about!).

cornsnake2010
07-18-2010, 05:03 PM
Bear in mind that the OP is in the States - most folks here are, as it's a US-based board (although there are some of us Brits about!).

im from uk

bitsy
07-18-2010, 05:42 PM
Yep - my point being that it would cost the breeder hundreds (possibly thousands) of dollars to ship you the poor l'il fella from America to the UK.

cornsnake2010
07-18-2010, 05:49 PM
that is true , but ive spoke to the owner and it has been humanely euthanised

bitsy
07-18-2010, 05:53 PM
Looking at the photos, I think it was for the best. You're kind to offer though - hope the rescue works out with UK-based Corns.

cornsnake2010
07-18-2010, 06:02 PM
have you seen my websites vvvvv :crazy02:

bitsy
07-19-2010, 03:58 AM
have you seen my websites
I have indeed. I think you're very brave to take on rescues with less than two years experience of Corns.

Also in this saturated market, it's quite a step to be taking on not only potentially unhealthy Corns, but eggs as well. At the moment, rehoming both adults and hatchlings is going to be quite a task and you could quite quickly find that you have more coming in than going out. Have you checked out the Proteus Reptile Trust rescue and rehoming website? Might give you some ideas on further development of your own service and website.

Good luck!

cornsnake2010
07-19-2010, 07:22 AM
no, my friend who is also helping me has 9 years experience so we know what were doing :)

Sweetseraph
07-19-2010, 07:27 AM
have you seen my websites vvvvv :crazy02:

FYI: You have a typo in your website URL for beardies in your signature. :)

jesserca
07-19-2010, 10:04 AM
that is true , but ive spoke to the owner and it has been humanely euthanised

Ummm...you never spoke with me....The baby is still alive we are waiting to see what happens. I can't ship that far, thanks for the offer, but did you think I wouldn't notice the lie in my own post?

cornsnake2010
07-19-2010, 10:11 AM
Ummm...you never spoke with me....The baby is still alive we are waiting to see what happens. I can't ship that far, thanks for the offer, but did you think I wouldn't notice the lie in my own post?

sorry i posted this on the wrong page it was PurraLovesJazz i spoke to about her cornsnake and that had been put down ,, my bad

jesserca
07-19-2010, 10:14 AM
No biggy.. I was just like...ummm...huh? I'm not optimistic for this little guy but he's doing okay right now.

wstphal
07-19-2010, 10:33 AM
I was going to chime in earlier, but I am a sucker for special needs animals, so as long as the little guy didn't look like he was suffering, I was going to suggest giving him a chance. He will always need help shedding, obviously, but if he can eat, poop & move OK... So my thought was see if he eats & then poops.

Anyway, my best wishes go out to you & him, and (((hugs))) to both of you.

Christen
07-19-2010, 02:46 PM
I am happy that he is doing good so far. You will have to keep us posted on how he is doing. How is his belly looking? Are you going to keep him? If it was me I would keep and name him piglet.:spinner:

jesserca
07-19-2010, 11:59 PM
The belly is doing good, almost healed. I really like the name piglet :D. His eye's are blue as of today so I'm excited to see if he even eats. We have grown quite attached to the little guy, I promised myself if we get any badly kinked ones I wouldn't fall into the 'I have to save them all' mindset....oh how well that worked out. He is an absolute doll, I still don't have much hope, but if he makes it we're keeping him, I wouldn't breed him, not that I think he even could, but he stole my heart and he's a trooper. I figured if he eats and poops and gives life a shot I'll give him a shot. I won't let him suffer, if he doesn't eat or doesn't poop in a sensible amount of time I will humanly put him down but i'm giving him a shot.

Christen
07-20-2010, 12:07 AM
I am so glad to hear that he is doing good at this time. Shedding might be interesting. lol Oh I can't wait to see if he eats and how things move threw him.

ShenziSixaxis
07-20-2010, 01:36 AM
Be sure to update us with photos. This is interesting.

bitsy
07-20-2010, 04:08 AM
I promised myself if we get any badly kinked ones I wouldn't fall into the 'I have to save them all' mindset....oh how well that worked out. He is an absolute doll, I still don't have much hope, but if he makes it we're keeping him, I wouldn't breed him, not that I think he even could, but he stole my heart
I think most of us have been there! I've been a sucker for a hatchling hard-luck story as well - they're the real characters.

jesserca
07-22-2010, 12:31 PM
Well it came down to it, had to put him down. I shed a few tears but his cut was looking good till he started shedding. It split back open again and what I'm guessing was intestines started comming out. I wanted him to live so bad, but I wouldn't let him suffer.

Christen
07-22-2010, 01:40 PM
I am so sorry.:cry: I know that you really wanted him to make it. That really sucks that he was looking good till he shed.

wstphal
07-22-2010, 01:51 PM
I am so sorry! (((hugs)))

starsevol
07-22-2010, 02:00 PM
I am so sorry.....

diamondlil
07-22-2010, 02:03 PM
That's hard, I'm sorry. At least you gave him a chance.

ceduke
07-22-2010, 06:49 PM
Sorry it came to that. Poor little guy. :(

Miqote
07-23-2010, 06:45 AM
Sorry for your loss:(

Shelliebear
07-23-2010, 07:35 AM
I am terribly, terribly sorry for your loss. I can't imagine what that must feel like for you.
Feel happy in that you gave him the chance to live, and that while allowing him that, you did not cause him pain, i.e. by infection and septicemia. Besides, he's in Snakey Heaven with piles and piles of pinkies, and lots of rocks to hide under. (:
Again, I'm sorry, and I hope the rest do good.
R.I.P. piglet :(