PETA

I don't know if this was an old episode or new, but if you subscribe to Showtime you HAVE to watch Penn and Teller's Bull**** episode about Peta. I just got done watching it, and it puts their 'terrorist' activities in a whole new light. I am literally at a loss for words to describe what I watched on this program!!! Find a way to check it out if you haven't seen it already.

D80

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I don't have Showtime, so I won't see that.

I appreciate their principles, but I think they are kinda extremist nuts! I love animals and it upsets me to even think of mistreatment and I don't eat meat, but they take things way too far. But I am not going to prevent my animals from eating meat! I do not think it is cruel at all for my cat or snake to eat an animal, especially since they will catch and kill it themselves if given the opertunity.

I am not going to dedicate my life to trying to change the world and change society into an unrealistic ideal.....but I'll do the best I can with my life and trying to make those around me compassionate as well.

It wouldn't matter if you objected to your cat or snake eating meat. The fact is, they won't survive without it. They're not vegetarians. I watched Animal Precinct one week and some idiot woman had tried to make her cats vegetarians. They all were blind, and some had permanent heart damage. Unbelievable!

I saw it

I love that show and it really showed what Hippocrates they can be.

My step-dad is a vegan and decided to make his new dog vegan too. He bought a fairly small vegan bag of dog food for a ton of money and then the dog wouldn't touch it. I thought it was hillarious.

I personally can't understand how people don't eat meat. It's a basic necessity of life that you need protein, fats, minerals, amino acids..everything meat provides. Some of that you simply can't get through tofu and supplements alone. Just cause its in a vitamin doesn't mean your body uses it.

And about people trying to get their carnivorous pets to convert to Vegan, get a life folks! If you want a herbivorous pet, get a rabbit or a cow. =P

We have a variety of teeth styles that cater to our omnivorous diet. Incisors for cutting meat and vegetables, canines for shredding meat, bicuspids for crushing meat, and molars for vegetable and meat. If God had meant for us to be vegetarians, we'd walk on all fours, moo, and chew our cud.

So to all of you Vegan/vegetarian folks out there is it the fact that you don't like the texture of meat, the act of eating something that was formerly alive, or the whole bone-in-meat aspect?

I'm just pretty darn curious about it all. Not that I plan on eating bamboo for the rest of my life, it just perplexes me how people can swear off meat entirely. I'd go nuts and rob McDonalds for burgers in a week (and I hate McDonalds). =P

I once knew a girl who lived on my floor in college, she was so weird in her eating habits that the meat she ate could no resemble an animal at all. Couldn't have bones or be shaped like it came off of an animal. Ergo she ate chicken nuggets, hamburgers everyday. I guess she thought the meat in the grocery store was grown in the plastic wrapped containers.

For me, I know where my food comes from...my backyard. I either raise my own food or hunt it.

Anyway, no disrespect meant by this post. I'm just curious after seeing the latest display of an apparent Vegan at the grocery store over the weekend. This young woman was cursing at the people buying meat, myself included, about how "evil" we were for killing these poor animals laid out before us. I told her I didn't kill 'em, but if cannibalism was legal, I'd go get my gun and be right back. She got this lovely scared "deer in the headlight" look to her all of a sudden. I was subsequently applauded by the rest of "my kind". :bowdown:

And speaking of vegetables, I was given a rather large bag of collard greens. Anyone have any good and tasty recipes for them? My cookbooks only say to sauté with oil. =Þ

Drizzt

Is the episode pro or anti PETA? I loathe the group, and can point you to quotes on their own website that their own supporters can't back up. I can guarantee you this: if they had their way, you could not own your corns! Please let us know when this will be replayed.

If they had their way, no animal would be a pet. That includes dogs, cats, and any other animal.

I'm a vegan at the moment, but I've been various stages of vegetarian my whole life (no red meat since age 5, no birds since 18, I'm 23 now). But I still wear leather shoes, my watch is leather, my belt is leather. I know that some people are vegetarians because they don't like the idea of killing animals. Clearly that isn't me. I just honestly think that my system feels better if I don't have any animal products in me. I love being a vegetarian, and my friends love it too, because I can go to any restaurant, anywhere, and find something to eat. I can eat at BBQ restaurants, I can eat at sushi places, I can eat anywhere, enjoy my food, and not care if someone orders a big juicy red steak. The only thing I've ever had trouble with personally is eating the whole animal, like back when I was eating seafood I didn't like having the entire, say, crab, on my plate, but having the legs was fine, didn't bother me at all. I don't like the idea of killing an animal solely for sport, but my leather shoes last longer than any canvas or plastic ones ever will. In fact, the only reason that I can think of against people eating beef has nothing to do with the rights of cows- I object to the slash-and-burn of the rainforests to make room for cows to graze. No one has ever had a problem, or called me hypocritical, I don't preach to others about their eating habits or anything like that.

And on a somewhat related note, don't get me started on PETA. They have such a narrow-minded tunnel vision of what they think is right that they are willing to make sacrifices that are even worse. For example, they would rather see animals die, culled out of a herd, than be taken out of an overcrowded African game preserve. But there, I've started. So I'm done.

dara

elrojo

It was very very anti-PETA, and I loved watching every second of it! I was just at a loss for words for how 'two-faced' they are etc. Their sense of logic is so warped that I can't even fathom it! One stat Penn and Teller gave was that PETA rescued 2100 some dogs during the course of the year. They had a disbursement on their tax records (as a non-profit they are public record) for a huge freezer). In doing research, the only purpose for the size freezer they ordered would be to hang sides of beef (obviously not the case) or as a morgue. Turns out, of those 2100 some dogs they 'saved', PETA euthanized over 2/3rd's of them!!! Talk about letting animals have their own rights!

D80
PS. As for a reshowing, I don't know, but would assume you could find information at the ShowTime web site. Maybe I'll check into it, as I would love to tape the episode!

Awesome!

I was afraid I wouldn't ever be able to watch them again. Well, I could just watch the one that never speaks, who I assume is "Teller."

You can't even hope to understand a group that would poison or kill a hunting dog because they're against hunting. Go figure. It's the sort of logic the anti-abortionist's use when they bomb a clinic and kill an expectant mother...

Taceas said:

I personally can't understand how people don't eat meat. It's a basic necessity of life that you need protein, fats, minerals, amino acids..everything meat provides. Some of that you simply can't get through tofu and supplements alone. Just cause its in a vitamin doesn't mean your body uses it.

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Eh, nothing against eating meat (as I do that myself). But aside from the lack of vitamin B 12 in most vegetables (expecting seaweed and some algae) that humans need, any protien, minerals, and amino acids a human needs can be found in various beans, veggies (such as kale or broccoli, and many many other veggies) -totally lacking animal diet. In 'caveman' days it was certaintly necessary to get fat and B 12 from meat, but seeing as we're at least in countries that are rich enough to allow us computer use, we usually can get that from somewhere else and often eat too much meat. More than anything, fresh fruits, vegtables, and grains are to be the primary source of our diet. We really need very small portions with the typical diet of modern countries and preservatives in meat. Humans even have a longer digestive track (like plant eaters) than carnivorous animals do. I know that US slaughterhouses misfeed cows (feed them grains instead of greens, maybe to fatten them up better?) and use so many antibiotics that when humans need antibiotics they are often too used to them for them to work. In general vegetarians are healthier in all aspects, live longer and with less complications than the typical meat-eater.

just wanted to throw all that out there...

oh yeah, and peta. they have seemingly innocent intentions, some of which i totally agree with.

but they're a bunch of friggin psychos, man.

That is not entirely true. There are meat based amino acids that are not found in any plant and are necessary for your body's health. Most vegetarians will drink milk or eat cheese and can receive the amino's from there, but vegans do not eat any of it. When I talked to a few vegans they say they take supplements, but they would need animal based proteins in the supplements, so it's defeating the purpose.

Thanks for the info guys. I appreciate it.

Right now I'm in a seemingly new to me "no red meat mood". And I loved steaks. But the last few I've had didn't agree with me and I found it mundane to eat them. I still eat hamburgers and stew meat or stir fry..just no large plates of steaks like usual. It's a strange new feeling for me. =/

But as for the antibiotic issue I agree wholeheartedly. I think we're overusing the hell out of them. And I won't take them unless absolutely necessary. I don't even use antibacterial soap or all of those chinsy products for kitchen use. I use simple soap and water, and if I don't feel that works..bleach water works just as well.

I've seen the truth in my own family with children. My mom never used any of that antibacterial stuff when I was growing up and the only allergies I have are to seasonal pollen. But my young neices and nephews who's mothers fretted about the dreaded germs and carried Lysol in their pockets and sprayed everything..those kids are allergic to everything from food, pets, pollen, and uncooked veggies and fruits. And theyr'e not from the same family. So something has to be the reason in my opinion. They live on opposite sides of the country. Maybe some germs aren't as bad as we think they are. If you don't play regular games of "cowboys and indians" with your immune system, it doesn't know how to act when it gets something legitimate to play with.

Most of the food I buy I try to buy organic if I can. I prefer not to eat pesticides and artificial fertilizers. My eggs come from cage free birds (hope to raise my own chickens again), my milk is from farm cows not mass-milked cows, and my veggies are all organic. Sure I pay more, but I like to think I'm supporting family farmers who like me, care what people eat. =)

MegF. said:

That is not entirely true. There are meat based amino acids that are not found in any plant and are necessary for your body's health. Most vegetarians will drink milk or eat cheese and can receive the amino's from there, but vegans do not eat any of it. When I talked to a few vegans they say they take supplements, but they would need animal based proteins in the supplements, so it's defeating the purpose.

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I was referring to the actual meat itself, not things such as eggs, cream, and cheese.

the scientific biochem makeup of amino acids can be found here --> http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/aminoacids/

but in this website:

http://www.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/80129e/80129E03.htm

There is information about protien and amino acids intake as represented in non-meat foods. There are many different kinds of amino acids, but milk has all 8 (essential) amino acids. As a source of calcium, milk isn't as great, because milk is mostly protien.


Here:
http://www.dietitian.com/protein.html

...is a link to a website that sort of has a debate going on, you see both sides of the "nutrition story" and if you don't feel like researching things yourself you can probably just pick out whatever end of the opinion you want.

It's not like meat is deadly, but I'm sure that if they were raised on single farms rather than mass bred and slaughtered at one time (with all the hormone injections present, misfeeding the animals,etc.) - it would be much healthier to eat it. I think there are Kosher meats out there that were rasied and killed in "clean" envioronments, but meat still isn't needed as much in the diet as i think many people eat.

I think it needs to be back to the 'ol adage, everything in moderation. I eat mostly chicken and fish, and very little red meat. I do like a good steak now and then though! I also hunt so I mix my store bought stuff with dove, quail, pheasant, and occasionally, venison. I don't care if milk doesn't give me too much calcium......I LOVE it!! :cheers: <-------- That's milk in there, not beer!

Drizzt80 said:

It was very very anti-PETA, and I loved watching every second of it! I was just at a loss for words for how 'two-faced' they are etc. Their sense of logic is so warped that I can't even fathom it! One stat Penn and Teller gave was that PETA rescued 2100 some dogs during the course of the year. They had a disbursement on their tax records (as a non-profit they are public record) for a huge freezer). In doing research, the only purpose for the size freezer they ordered would be to hang sides of beef (obviously not the case) or as a morgue. Turns out, of those 2100 some dogs they 'saved', PETA euthanized over 2/3rd's of them!!! Talk about letting animals have their own rights!

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ok i know this post is like 3 years old but i was really bored and found that...

anyway i'm just as against factory farming as i am of PETA. when you have websites saying those things about peta (like petakillsanimals.com or whatever) you'll notice that that organization is heavily funded by the meat industry. so it's just propaganda on top of other propaganda and it's all about money. there goes a saying like "look for the person that benefits"

Please, oh please, show me documentation that shows that PeTA is given finances in any way by the meat industry! I need this information (I live in Asheville,NC, practically the headquarters) :cheers:

PS, check out MatthewScully.com he was a speech writer for Bush and did amazing undercover work about factory farms. And is very anti-PeTA.