Alabama locality

[MysticExotics]

I hope to eventually make sure the Alabama Corns become as well known as Miami's. I know a couple people that have worked with or do work with the Alabama locality Corns.

After seeing Mica, an unknown aged (adult) female WC Alabama, I got hooked on them in the first place.

So I told Walter, that if he had any more Alabama's he wanted to let go of, to let me know.
He had a 1.1 pair that were offspring of Mica's, from an unknown (wild) male. Mica was gravid when she was caught, & he ended up with a surprise clutch. So I have that pair as well.

Later, I aquired a 1.1 pair of Alabama's het for Hypo, which I will be pairing together this coming season.

Making more Alabama's is on my list for this coming season. I will be holding some back, to continue the Alabama line.
I will also continue to work with Tara, on furthering the Alabama Tessera project that we started.

There are a couple other "Alabama folk" that I hope to work with as well, & I hope to make the Alabama name recognized.

[MysticExotics]

In order of pictures:
Mica-unk age adult female (WC)
Katzen-2007 offspring of Mica's-sired by unknown wild male
Silber-2007 offspring of Mica's-sired by unknown wild male
Tora-2008 Alabama het Hypo (from Hypo Okeetee female X Alabama male)
Tane-2008 Alabama het Hypo (from Hypo Okeetee female X Alabama male)

*Tora & Tane will likely be available after the 2012 breeding season.

[MysticExotics]

Those of you with Alabama's, feel free to post pics of them here!

[Tara80]

Heather, thank you so much for introducing me to this type of snake. I've glanced by them a few times and made a huge mistake by looking over them. They are gorgeous. That is an understatement actually.. seeing them in person is unbelievable.

I think research on this 'locality' morph is a great idea and an amazing undertaking. I also wonder if there isn't a recessive (or dominant) gene involved that produces the really dark (and shiny) overcoat.
This will be a fun project! I appreciate that you allowed me be a part of it.

[Buzzard]

Hi Heather,

I'm in. Let me give you the run down on Sunshine. In 2009, I found this odd looking snake, that resembled a corn but looked also like a gray rat snake. Not knowing what the heck it could be, I posted her on this forum. After a few post, I found out Walter had a pair and immediately we agreed it was a Alabama corn snake. A few weeks later, She laid a clutch of 10 eggs. Awesome...... I ended up sending a pair to Virgina (I think). Later on he said that they stopped eating and passed(bummer). I kept 2 to continue the line. The next season I breed her to an Anery to see if perhaps she was some form of Anery type snake. Nope, most of the babies came out normal with one exception(red), I kept. Loving the silver coration, burnt red(brick red) saddles and the abnormal amout of yellow these guys seem to have, I was wondering if I could get an Amel version and if it would look any different. Perhaps with more yellow, or even that brick red coloration instead of the normal reds. So I paired her up with my Striped Amel Male, Crush. Out of 10 eggs only 5 hatched. 2 females and 3 males. 1 female did not make it. The other 4 are eating like champs. So far that has been my projects with these amazing looking snakes.

Sunshine
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6117/6342583273_55052cbe4d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69588058@N04/6342583273/)

Gray(09 fml AL)
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6223/6343341358_6054263cce.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69588058@N04/6343341358/)

Al (09 male AL)
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6219/6343332370_5aa6dd40a4.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69588058@N04/6343332370/)

Red (10 male AL) het Anery motley ph hypo
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7022/6401216737_833226cbd8.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69588058@N04/6401216737/)

3 of the 4 (2011 AL) het Amel Stripe ph anery
Fml
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7162/6401216707_0b82500da4.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69588058@N04/6401216707/)

Male
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6401216665_5bab5f41d1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69588058@N04/6401216665/)

Male
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6401216653_0529b07fc6.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69588058@N04/6401216653/)

[MysticExotics]

Heather, thank you so much for introducing me to this type of snake. I've glanced by them a few times and made a huge mistake by looking over them. They are gorgeous. That is an understatement actually.. seeing them in person is unbelievable.

I think research on this 'locality' morph is a great idea and an amazing undertaking. I also wonder if there isn't a recessive (or dominant) gene involved that produces the really dark (and shiny) overcoat.
This will be a fun project! I appreciate that you allowed me be a part of it.
I'm happy to have found a friend that lives fairly close, that has the same taste in morphs, so that we can work together on projects. :)
Hi Heather,

I'm in. Let me give you the run down on Sunshine. In 2009, I found this odd looking snake, that resembled a corn but looked also like a gray rat snake. Not knowing what the heck it could be, I posted her on this forum. After a few post, I found out Walter had a pair and immediately we agreed it was a Alabama corn snake. A few weeks later, She laid a clutch of 10 eggs. Awesome...... I ended up sending a pair to Virgina (I think). Later on he said that they stopped eating and passed(bummer). I kept 2 to continue the line. The next season I breed her to an Anery to see if perhaps she was some form of Anery type snake. Nope, most of the babies came out normal with one exception(red), I kept. Loving the silver coration, burnt red(brick red) saddles and the abnormal amout of yellow these guys seem to have, I was wondering if I could get an Amel version and if it would look any different. Perhaps with more yellow, or even that brick red coloration instead of the normal reds. So I paired her up with my Striped Amel Male, Crush. Out of 10 eggs only 5 hatched. 2 females and 3 males. 1 female did not make it. The other 4 are eating like champs. So far that has been my projects with these amazing looking snakes.


I was hoping you would chime in.
I am so glad there are others working with these beautiful snakes!
Thanks for adding the pics!

[MysticExotics]

Here are my babies from the first Alabama project we worked on. They are out of Mica, & Tara's Tessera, Taz. (They're in the Alabama Tessera progression thread as well).

The ground color is turning out really cool, & I cannot wait to see how they look full grown!

[Buzzard]

I can not tell on the 1st 2 but the last 2 you can see the AL trait in the back half of the bodies. The next couple of years are going to be exciting for you, I can see it coming :)

Fingers, toes, and eyes crossed for you on that project.

[MysticExotics]

Yes, you can see it & I'm excited to see them full grown!
I also wonder about what Tara mentioned, that there might be some sort of recessive or dominant gene at play.

Another curious thing I noticed, was that a couple of these babies have het Sunkissed type markers, where the other Tessera clutch did not.

[Tara80]

I will have to take a few pictures of mine for you Heather, once I find my camera! :eek:
We've spent the majority of the week looking for it and we have no clue where it could be!

[MysticExotics]

I hope you find your camera soon!
I need to take more recent pics of Allie & Stone. They're slower growers, & I haven't bothered them as much for pics. I have more pics of Devon & Zayvion, since they have been growing like weeds!

[Buzzard]

Yes, you can see it & I'm excited to see them full grown!
I also wonder about what Tara mentioned, that there might be some sort of recessive or dominant gene at play.

Another curious thing I noticed, was that a couple of these babies have het Sunkissed type markers, where the other Tessera clutch did not.

We should know soon about the recessive-ness of this gene. We talked a few months back, how it could be a sex linked genes as I have noticed the females tend to be more silverish and the males a burnt orange-ish type tone to them.

This was a male that I found hit by a car. We tried to bring him back but he was too far gone. (Also Pike county)

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x147/Buzz4401/snakephotoshoot001-1.jpg

[MysticExotics]

I agree, I really thing there's something that is sex linked with these guys, as I have yet to hear of anyone who has found a male that is grey like Mica or Sunshine. I'd love to find a male that was, to focus on that color of Alabama's but I think you're right, I think males are going to just be more of a golden/bronze/burnt-orange/copper type color.

[Walter Smith]

I just noticed this thread Heather. Hope you don't mind if I join in??

Here are pics. of the only Bama's I have left. These are captive hatched 2010 F1s from a pair of wild caught adults from my area, which is the Northeast region of Alabama...........Dekalb Co. to be exact.

I've taken more of an interest to the rusty brunt orange coloration over the silverish coloration in the Bama corns,
(not to take anything away from Mica she is a very attractive snake), however as you can see, my female is starting to develope just a hint of the silverish color on the latter part of her body. Not quite anywhere near as much as Mica, but my girl is getting some.

There is a dimorphism between male & female in this area as well.

Image 1) Male ~ Dekalb Co. locality
Image 2) Female ~ Dekalb Co. locality

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

[MysticExotics]

Of course Walter! You're the reason I have Alabama's!

Thank you for joining in!
Beautiful snakes! They're 2010's?

[Walter Smith]

Of course Walter! You're the reason I have Alabama's!

Thank you for joining in!
Beautiful snakes! They're 2010's?

Yes, these are 2010 hatch.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

[exar15xe]

Here is a Female Alabama I have thought it was a male at first before she layed eggs. She was probed by 3 different people and was probed as a male. :shrugs:
Now I just need an alabama male to breed to her. I might breed my tessera male I got in a trade to her in the future. This pic does not do her justice she has more silver then what is showing.

[MysticExotics]

Is that the one we talked about a breeding loan, & I asked if you were sure was a male, & then "he ended up being a she"?
She is beautiful.
Did you see the F1 babies from the Alabama X Tessera clutch that Tara & I produced last year? I think you should definitely do that pairing, IMO, you will love the babies! :)

[Buzzard]

Very nice Kevin. It can be real hard to catch the true silver/ gray that they have. Do you know which county yours is from?

And the hunt continues for the elusive male Alabama corn snake...

[ratsncorns]

Oh, I would love an Alabama Tessera! Can't wait to see how they progress!

[exar15xe]

Is that the one we talked about a breeding loan, & I asked if you were sure was a male, & then "he ended up being a she"?
She is beautiful.
Did you see the F1 babies from the Alabama X Tessera clutch that Tara & I produced last year? I think you should definitely do that pairing, IMO, you will love the babies! :)

Yes shes the one.

Very nice Kevin. It can be real hard to catch the true silver/ gray that they have. Do you know which county yours is from?

And the hunt continues for the elusive male Alabama corn snake...

She is more then likely from Mobile/Baldwin county she was caught about five years ago by some grad students. The hunt for the elusive male alabama corn is crazy. I think if I had unlimited funds and all the time in the world it will take forever.

[MysticExotics]

Yes shes the one.



She is more then likely from Mobile/Baldwin county she was caught about five years ago by some grad students. The hunt for the elusive male alabama corn is crazy. I think if I had unlimited funds and all the time in the world it will take forever.

I figured as much. LOL

It's like trying to find Bigfoot! Geesh! Haha

[Buzzard]

Heather,

Here is another female Alabama that was brought to us yesterday - she is also Pike Co. location
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8023/6987652698_8fe97d78a6.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/77134004@N06/6987652698/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7191/7133745449_bdfc626ac6.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/77134004@N06/7133745449/)

[MysticExotics]

Very nice, Buzz! Now if someone can only find a male. LOL

[Buzzard]

Very nice, Buzz! Now if someone can only find a male. LOL

lol... I hear ya...

How large are your Alabama's? Sunshine has never been over 225 grams and just at 3 ft long. This new girl is quite small as well, and the ones from Sunshines native clutch are small too. However, the outcrossed Alabama's(those het for other things) seem to be growing at a faster rate and on pace to be larger snakes....

[MysticExotics]

My three pure Alabama locality snakes are 500 grams or more. Mica was close to 700 grams at one point.

[Buzzard]

My three pure Alabama locality snakes are 500 grams or more. Mica was close to 700 grams at one point.

Interesting.... It "seems" that the corns in my region are smaller animals in comparison to the area where yours are from. Just an observation,??? Out of the handful that I have seen (DOR and in my collection) Sunshine is the largest one...

[MysticExotics]

Interesting.... It "seems" that the corns in my region are smaller animals in comparison to the area where yours are from. Just an observation,??? Out of the handful that I have seen (DOR and in my collection) Sunshine is the largest one...

That could be.

[Buzzard]

Heather:

Here is a recent pic of the 2011 Alabama het amel stripe - the outcrossed ones display more black on their saddles than the WC ones. The 2012 babies have shed and we do have a male for you :)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8166/7529129344_f692aa0ba5.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69588058@N04/7529129344/)

[MysticExotics]

Heather:

Here is a recent pic of the 2011 Alabama het amel stripe - the outcrossed ones display more black on their saddles than the WC ones. The 2012 babies have shed and we do have a male for you :)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8166/7529129344_f692aa0ba5.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69588058@N04/7529129344/)

Awesome! That would be great, thank you!

[ryoverde]

Though I am not in Alabama nor currently in its locality club, I wanted to update followers of this thread that Heather has laid the awesome responsibility of breeding Tane & Tora on my (very green) shoulders.... I have never attempted to breed any snakes before ever. I am astonished, amazed and touched that Heather has trusted me with it, especially as things initially went poorly because Tane escaped my Lee Herp Habitat. Lucky for me, right after I confessed to Heather, Tane either decided a) he was hungry, or b) that he missed Tora, because he showed himself in my little snake/African Violet room and was re-caught. Now I have duct tape (duck?) over all my lee herp habitats, but I'm not losing anyone else! <g> Just goes to show that confession *is* good for the soul...

iHerp page: <http://www.iherp.com/Public/ShowUser.aspx?UserId=86133dc3-9ab8-4363-b51e-391ca73aad0e> or search under "ryoverde"

[Buzzard]

Congratz Cara on your pick-ups..... We have several projects on-going with the Alabamas as well as an Alabama tessera.
Here is what you should expect from hatching Alabamas.....

They tend to look almost Anery when hatched..
They lighten back up to almost normal after the 2nd shed..
They start getting the colbolt gray in after the 1st year..
Females "tend" (not always) to be more gray than males..

That is just a few thing...

Congratz again
Buzz

[MysticExotics]

Cara has the het Hypo pair from Walter, so the babies are going to look different.
They have a tan ground color, more like a Crimson, but they have the black borders.
They do have the Alabama thick borders at the tail.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the babies from Tora & Tane turn out, as well as all of the projects Buzz & Jamie will be working on! :)

[MysticExotics]

This is one of the babies I produced two years ago, from the Alabama X Tessera clutch (co-op with Tara Smith)
She's with a friend of mine, & local breeder, Matt Stewart-NW Bloodlines.

[ryoverde]

Cara has the het Hypo pair from Walter, so the babies are going to look different.
They have a tan ground color, more like a Crimson, but they have the black borders.
They do have the Alabama thick borders at the tail.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the babies from Tora & Tane turn out, as well as all of the projects Buzz & Jamie will be working on! :)

Huh, my 1st breeding too, no pressure!!!! :-)

[Queentigress19]

Hi there!

My boyfriend and I are very interested in the Alabama Corns. I haven't been able to find them anywhere in Florida. I seen a few today at the Repticon Reptile Expo, but the guy swore up and down that they were Florida Corn's, and that he has no idea why people are listing them as Alabama Corns online. I feel that he is totally wrong, especially because the Alabama's are gorgeous and I can't find them anywhere. If there is a breeder out there that can tell me more about them and that would be willing to ship one, I would greatly appreciate it. I have seen a couple different variations of the same colors in them, but I would really like the darker variation. Of course, I have only seen pictures of them online, so I don't entirely know how accurate that is. Please reply back either on here, or email me personally at queentigress19@hotmail.com. I do have 2 corns already; an Anery and also I believe a candy cane color (Not entirely sure yet). I really appreciate the help!

Thanks!!

[MysticExotics]

Hi there!

My boyfriend and I are very interested in the Alabama Corns. I haven't been able to find them anywhere in Florida. I seen a few today at the Repticon Reptile Expo, but the guy swore up and down that they were Florida Corn's, and that he has no idea why people are listing them as Alabama Corns online. I feel that he is totally wrong, especially because the Alabama's are gorgeous and I can't find them anywhere. If there is a breeder out there that can tell me more about them and that would be willing to ship one, I would greatly appreciate it. I have seen a couple different variations of the same colors in them, but I would really like the darker variation. Of course, I have only seen pictures of them online, so I don't entirely know how accurate that is. Please reply back either on here, or email me personally at queentigress19@hotmail.com. I do have 2 corns already; an Anery and also I believe a candy cane color (Not entirely sure yet). I really appreciate the help!

Thanks!!
He's probably referring to "Miami's" which did originate from Florida, but these are from Alabama, hence the Alabama name.
I no longer have my Alabama's pictured here, I sent most of them to a friend in Alabama to continue with the Alabama locality projects.
There are a couple people here that have true Alabama locality Corns, & hopefully at least one of them will have some Alabama babies this year.
Keep an eye out for them after babies start hatching.

[MysticExotics]

I figured I should update this.
I now have two WC Alabama locality snakes again (I got both from Buzz).

Serious (female) is from St. Clair county, Buzz acquired her from Alton

Bigfoot (male) is from Pike County

I am looking forward to continuing the Alabama projects again.

[HerpsOfNM]

Heather...

I'm sure you get this a bit, but please do keep me in the loop on these guys. I think Walter was working with some 'Bama corns, but this season was bunk. I'd have to check emails we'd had going.

I'd love to do some more locality corns.

[MysticExotics]

Heather...

I'm sure you get this a bit, but please do keep me in the loop on these guys. I think Walter was working with some 'Bama corns, but this season was bunk. I'd have to check emails we'd had going.

I'd love to do some more locality corns.

I will! I am really hoping to be able to continue the Alabama lines, and work on my 2nd generation of Alabame/Tessera projects.

Locality corns are one of my favorite.

[Elke]

Hello!

I'm looking for an Alambama locality baby and was wondering if you're still breeding and whether you might have any babies now or in the future.

Thank you so much!

:)

[MysticExotics]

Hello!

I'm looking for an Alambama locality baby and was wondering if you're still breeding and whether you might have any babies now or in the future.

Thank you so much!

:)

I am planning on a Alabama locality pairing this year. Hopefully I will get some babies. :)

[MysticExotics]

This is the pair I will be pairing together.

[Elke]

Thank you so much!

They are simply gorgeous. What treasures! I love the natural look. Much closer to what we'd see here in Tennessee. 😊

Any good time for me to check back? June or July-ish? I don't want to check back and be too late.

Thanks, again, so much!

:)

[MysticExotics]

Thank you so much!

They are simply gorgeous. What treasures! I love the natural look. Much closer to what we'd see here in Tennessee. 😊

Any good time for me to check back? June or July-ish? I don't want to check back and be too late.

Thanks, again, so much!

:)
If you're on FB, keep an eye on Mystic Exotics FB page, I will post updates on any clutches there, as well as on this forum.

[Elke]

Thanks so much!

Will do!

[Cane]

Hi all. Alabamas are 1 or 2 on my list of favorites depending on my mood! Of course while I'm obvserving or handling my Okeetee Shesha, Okeetees are my favorites. I'm not really in a place where I can get into breeding right now but I hope to be able to breed a few lines sometime in the not too distant future. I was thinking about maybe breeding just a single pair though. Should I just get another Okeetee maybe het for something or could I breed an Okeetee with an Alabama and get something worth while? I'd love to have an Alabama along with my Okeetee if I'm going to have 2 corns but I would want offspring that are good looking and very adoptable. As you can see I know ZERO about genetics so go remedial in you answers please.

[MysticExotics]

IMO, breeding an Okeetee to a Alabama is going to take away from both beautiful types. You would be dulling down the bright colors of the Okeetee, and taking away the metallic grey on the Alabama.
I'd like to see the Alabama locale be strengthened before being crossed too much into other morphs.
I considered pairing Alabama's into a really nice Miami, to enhance the grey, but I sold my Alabama 's for others to focus on the Alabama project.
The one I really regret letting go of was Mica, the WC female I had.
She was the best Alabama, hands down, that I have ever seen.

[Cane]

Thanks! That answers that . I'll just get another Okee then until I can get in deeper.

[MysticExotics]

Thanks! That answers that . I'll just get another Okee then until I can get in deeper.

I think that would be a good idea. :)