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Moving and meds. Oh boy.

Lycari
08-04-2012, 01:25 AM
So, yesterday, I took Saga to the vet for a checkup. The vet is Dr. Adolf Maas, one of the eight AVMA-certified specialistists in the world... His private practice just happens to be about twenty minutes away, all specialized for exotic animals. I took her in to get a profesional opinion of her overall health, to get her probed because her tail looked male to me (doc agreed that the tail looks male, but she probed female), and to get some advice on how best to move her to a new tank and a new house.

Dr. Maas told me that she was in excellent condition, except for the parasites he found in the fecal sample he somehow managed to convince her to give him. He said the infestation looks minor and that it certainly isn't life-threatening—yet—and gave me some medication I'm supped to give her orally every other day.

He told me about a study where they fed boa constritors once a week, once every other week, once every three weeks, and once every four weeks. Apparently, if you feed a snake less often than once a week, they get liver disease, and it's more severe the less often you feed; to the point where pathologists could predict how often a snake was fed based on a liver biopsy. So, Saga's back on a strictly once-a-week diet.

I only managed to mention the moving part briefly at the end of the visit, but he said not to worry about it too much. Against my own judgement, but following his orders, I therefore soaked her as instructed, moved her into the new viv in the new house, and fed her today. She responded to the fuzzy faster than I've seen since I got her. She has to be soaked and medicated tomorrow.... Medication involves one person restraining her body while another holds her behind the head, pries her mouth open, and squirts the medication down her throat with a syringe. Am I the only one worried about stress, here?

She had a vet visit yesterday, was moved into a new, bigger tank on paper towel substrate, with two new hides and everything else run through the dishwasher (vet's advice), soaked (which she hates), AND fed today. Tomorrow I'm supposed to soak her again, and medicate her, and I'm not supposed to expect a regurge?

Anyone have any advice on what to do, here? The vet has a great reputation, and an amazing history. I seriously doubt he could be incompetent, but still. Also, any advice on how to get a snake's mouth open without the benefit of fingernails would be appreciated.

bitsy
08-04-2012, 05:10 AM
Apparently, if you feed a snake less often than once a week, they get liver disease,
That's absolute nonsense, regardless of the vet's reputation. If that were true, my 24 year old would be dead several times over as would my 19 year old. Some of the larger boids eat once every couple of months - feeding them once a week would be a disaster. Plus most snakes in the wild would die of liver disease - Anacondas eat once or twice a year. I'll be charitable and suggest that he's taking an example from one type of snake and making an inappropriate generalisation.

Why on earth did he suggest soaking her? That won't do anything for internal parasites and isn't necessary for a Corn unless it has a shed problem or is badly dehydrated.

And yes, there IS a regurge risk of stressing her so badly after feeding. Treating the parasites is an excellent idea, but you need a way to work around her feeding otherwise she could actually end up with a life-threatening problem of repeat regurges, which he's caused.

Frankly I would run not walk away from this "expert". He may be an expert in some types of reptile, but it certainly doesn't appear to be pet Corn Snakes.

diamondlil
08-04-2012, 06:26 AM
I remember seeing a programme that showed how a snake's digestive organs including the liver massively increase in in size then shrink back as a natural consequence of their feeding patterns. (I think it was a rock python that had swallowed an antelope) The pattern and the changes in the blood chemistry would be highly dangerous for a mammal, but are how a snake works....

Lycari
08-04-2012, 08:13 AM
Thanks for the replies, guys. :)

He said to soak her once daily in tepid water with a drop of Dawn in it to wash any parasites off her skin in order to prevent reinfection. After seeing just how much she hates it, though, I think I'll skip it and just change the paper towels and wash the water bowl daily instead.

Dr. Maas has worked with corns since 1986, as both a breeder and a keeper. He told me his oldest corn is 27, and still going strong. I just can't see that anyone could have devoted their life to reptile medicine for so long, and kept these animals for so long, even become an internationally-respected expert in herp medicine, and not know how best to care for the most common pet reptile. On the other hand, he tells me that zigzag is a dominant gene with a super form, and that he produced several clutches of them back when he used to breed corns. The best I can figure is that he was thinking of another species (he's bred over two dozen species).

To be fair, I'm not sure he realized I was putting her in a bigger tank as well as moving her. I was only able to ask about it right at the end while he was writing the discharge notes, and he might have been too distracted. The fuzzy barely leaves any bump at all in her anymore, so I figured I'd give her 24 hours between feeding and medication. Hopefully, that will be enough time for her to at least mostly finish it before I have to mess with her again. I don't think I should deviate from the medication instructions, at the very least... *sigh*

bitsy
08-04-2012, 01:42 PM
I just can't see that anyone could have devoted their life to reptile medicine for so long, and kept these animals for so long, even become an internationally-respected expert in herp medicine, and not know how best to care for the most common pet reptile.
Neither can I. But I'd be interested to hear his opinion of how my 24 year old is surviving with such a serious and long-standing liver disease....

diamondlil
08-04-2012, 01:56 PM
He said to soak her once daily in tepid water with a drop of Dawn in it to wash any parasites off her skin in order to prevent reinfection. After seeing just how much she hates it, though, I think I'll skip it and just change the paper towels and wash the water bowl daily instead.

I wouldn't recommend disturbing a snake that's digesting, personally. Which parasites are these? I've heard of soaking like that to remove mites, but not for anything else

RobbiesCornField
08-04-2012, 05:51 PM
I'm going to have to agree with bitsy on this one regarding the feeding. It's been shown that some boas actually benefit from less frequent feedings (i.e. every two weeks instead of every week).

MysticExotics
08-05-2012, 04:42 PM
I agree with Bitsy 100%

As a local person to this area, I am aware of this vet. I have not heard good things about Dr Maas, even though I know he's got a good reputation with some.
It's not my first choice place to take my animals. It would be my last resort.

I passed up taking my ferrets to this vet a couple years before I even got into reptiles.