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Corn ate piece of aspen along with mouse...

cornsnakegirl
06-29-2013, 04:01 PM
So, I was feeding Peaches my corn today and when she was swallowing the end of her fuzzie, a piece of aspen got stuck to the wet mouse, and just as I quickly reached in to take it off, she panicked and swallowed it.

Will she have any effects from it? Anything I can do? Will she regurg it?

I feed her on a Tupperware lid so stuff like this doesn't happen, but she dragged the mouse off it this time. :/ I'm pretty worried.

Alicia P
06-29-2013, 04:05 PM
How big was the piece of aspen?

cornsnakegirl
06-29-2013, 04:09 PM
A quarter of the size of the fuzzie. Sorry, should have put that in my post!

Lennycorn
06-29-2013, 04:11 PM
Should pass it.

If you want, next time fed it in a seprate in.

cornsnakegirl
06-29-2013, 04:14 PM
Yeah, I have a 10g that I will try and dig out of the pile of boxes its in. Glad to hear it should pass! If it doesn't though, what then? Will I notice anything?

Lennycorn
06-29-2013, 04:21 PM
If it doesn't though, what then? Will I notice anything?



Yep!


The snake might get impacted / constipated / loss of appetite.

Vet time.

cornsnakegirl
06-29-2013, 04:23 PM
Dang, I better start finding a reptile vet, this is making me feel horrible.

Chip
06-29-2013, 04:23 PM
Don't panic. I've seen snakes eat a lot of aspen. I try to avoid it by feeding on deli cup lids, but some gets ingested sometimes. 99% of the time they will be fine.

Lennycorn
06-29-2013, 04:27 PM
Dang, I better start finding a reptile vet, this is making me feel horrible.


The line...."you can't handle the truth" come to mind! Ha!

cornsnakegirl
06-29-2013, 04:28 PM
Thanks, I feel a little better. I feed on a Tupperware lid too, but this was the one time she decided to drag it off. She likes to eat different ways :P I wish I didn't have to work today so I could watch her, but at least I have the next 3 days off.

cornsnakegirl
06-29-2013, 04:31 PM
Laughing at me doesn't make me feel any better... I did a search and found a vet four hours from me, in a place we go to often for medical appt.'s four hours away. I can handle the truth, I ain't some 10 year old snake keeper...

The line...."you can't handle the truth" come to mind! Ha!

Lennycorn
06-29-2013, 04:43 PM
Laughing at me doesn't make me feel any better... I did a search and found a vet four hours from me, in a place we go to often for medical appt.'s four hours away. I can handle the truth, I ain't some 10 year old snake keeper...


Wow! sorry. Didn't think you would be easily upset by that.

But like stated twice , your snake will more likly be fine. But I'm glad this made you find a vet in the area.
Enjoy.

cornsnakegirl
06-29-2013, 11:12 PM
Yeah, its just that when I'm already worried sick, that kind of humour sounds sarcastic to me, and I react accordingly.

So far she's acting normal, but I can't hold her yet since she did just eat.

Here's a couple recent (few days) pictures!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/181264_530254797031970_471819511_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/946640_530254670365316_314703802_n.jpg

dave partington
06-30-2013, 11:50 AM
oh she's well beyond the baby stage. Aspen should pass just fine. I always put the food in a deli cup for babie s and juvies. Condition them from right out of the egg to feed out of a container inside their enclosure. Have to keep an eye on some of them that want to drag the food all over the enclosure picking up bits of aspen. For those ones, I put them in the deli cup with the prey item and snap the lid on, so they get used to the idea of STAYING IN the CUP while feeding. Dingbats. But usually by the 7th or 12th try they "learn/condition" to stay in the cup while feeding. When they get to adulthood, I use a larger/sterilite shoebox for feeding in.
But it does kinda make you wonder how they ever make it to adulthood in the wild for all these millions of years.
I had a mexican black kingsnake that got so oh, what to call this- "over-conditioned" I guess:
He saw that shoebox coming and knew whatever was in there was something for him to eat. I put some f/t peas in it with a mousicle one day just to see...within a week, there they were, green undigested peas in the poop.
Just keep an eye on your pet, if she continues feeding but never makes poopie then there may be an issue, but I have 94.2% certainty there'll be no issue.

cornsnakegirl
06-30-2013, 02:31 PM
Good to hear, thanks! I got her from a breeder when she was just barely eating, and she means the world to me. She got an adult-size enclosure right off the bat :P I got her a feeding bin the other day which I will use from now on.

hikisquid
06-30-2013, 05:02 PM
Feeder bins are a great idea! That way you can be 100% sure they won't get anything else but the mousie when they eat. :)

I'm sure she'll be fine, and it's always good to be concerned when something like that happens.

hypnoctopus
06-30-2013, 05:36 PM
A little off topic, but it looks like she could be eating bigger mice than fuzzies.

cornsnakegirl
06-30-2013, 05:50 PM
She's close, but not quite there yet. She still has a lump the next day, but its going down faster and faster. She's approaching a year old so by the time she's a year she should definitely be eating the next size up. :) I feed her every 6 days.

cornsnakegirl
06-30-2013, 05:51 PM
Also, I've got small hands :P

Alicia P
06-30-2013, 05:55 PM
How fast she digests isn't the best way to gauge when to move up in prey size. Generally you want to feed a prey item that is 1.5 times the width of their widest part, until they are eating adult mice. By that time they have finished growing and are on a maintenance diet. From the pic of her I'd say she should be on hoppers at least.

Alicia P
06-30-2013, 05:56 PM
Do you know what she weighs in grams?

cornsnakegirl
06-30-2013, 06:12 PM
My fuzzies are about 1.3x the width of her, so like I said she's very very close to being on hoppers. She has two fuzzies left, after that she will be moved to hoppers. I am using the 1.5x method and the "if theres a lump the next morning" method to determine food size, and shes on the very cusp of the next size. The pictures must be making her look big, so I'm going to get some better ones later tonight.

I do not have a gram scale, and I've been wanting to get one, but I just haven't been in any stores that would have it, and money is tight right now so justifying the purchase unless we find a super cheap one, is hard to do. Even though its important to have. We do have to go into a Canadian Tire soon though for a washer hose, so perhaps I can get one then. :)

Chip
06-30-2013, 06:26 PM
That snake is ready for hoppers.

Also, most snakes feed fine in a feeding viv, very nervous or shy specimens can be exceptions. If you feel like you have a shy girl, try cutting a snake-sized hole in the bottom/side of a deli cup, and just put it in her viv (with the warm food item inside) when she's hungry. They'll usually find the opening pretty quickly, and eat inside. Once they learn to find the "food hole" they get to be pros at it! A few hard heads still pull the food out, but once they get used to it, they seem more inclined to just climb on in. Good luck. I feel sure she'll be fine, she's a good sized critter.

hypnoctopus
06-30-2013, 06:32 PM
You can also get a cheap gram scale off of Ebay. I think mine was like $10.

cornsnakegirl
06-30-2013, 06:47 PM
Yes, by the time I can get to the pet store for the hoppers she will have probably had one more fuzzy, then even if there's fuzzies left I'll start her on hoppers. Don't worry guys!

Thanks, but I'm not worried at all about her eating in a tub, shes not too shy. It simply hasn't been necessary before now, as she would neatly eat on a Tupperware lid in her tank before yesterday, haha!

Sadly it wouldn't be $10 for me to get a scale off ebay since I'm in Canada :P But thanks!

That snake is ready for hoppers.

Also, most snakes feed fine in a feeding viv, very nervous or shy specimens can be exceptions. If you feel like you have a shy girl, try cutting a snake-sized hole in the bottom/side of a deli cup, and just put it in her viv (with the warm food item inside) when she's hungry. They'll usually find the opening pretty quickly, and eat inside. Once they learn to find the "food hole" they get to be pros at it! A few hard heads still pull the food out, but once they get used to it, they seem more inclined to just climb on in. Good luck. I feel sure she'll be fine, she's a good sized critter.

Chip
06-30-2013, 07:04 PM
Don't rush! If you have extra fuzzies, just feed them off. Two at a time if needed.

Scales are pretty cheap, I'm sure you can find a site/store in Canada. Some kitchen scales will weigh in 1/10th grams, which is as accurate as you could possibly need. Best wishes.

cornsnakegirl
06-30-2013, 07:05 PM
Update:

Will be going to get the hoppers in the next two days. Was going to get mice soon anyway, before you guys mentioned your concerns, but we have to go to that area in the next couple days for something else now. :)

cornsnakegirl
06-30-2013, 07:10 PM
Thanks, that's what I thought too! A couple more fuzzies isn't going to hurt., and I'm getting hoppers sooner than I thought now too. I was going to go once I ran out of fuzzies, but I happen to have a willing driver (aka mum) for sooner on my days off here. ;) Yeah, Canadian Tire is my best bet here so I'll hopefully find one there for a decent price. :)

Don't rush! If you have extra fuzzies, just feed them off. Two at a time if needed.

Scales are pretty cheap, I'm sure you can find a site/store in Canada. Some kitchen scales will weigh in 1/10th grams, which is as accurate as you could possibly need. Best wishes.

cornsnakegirl
06-30-2013, 07:54 PM
I took her out a few minutes ago and got some more pictures, and while she was out, she had a poop! I did not see any aspen bits, but I have no idea what "passed" aspen would look like, so I'm hoping you guys can tell if this is just normal poop or what. I've only ever seen her poop dried up, never fresh. Left poop pic original size. Took pics with a pencil so you get a better idea of her size too. :)

http://imgur.com/Q3krgqa
http://imgur.com/Ak4f6vD
http://imgur.com/lhtidSi
http://imgur.com/MxX8wFk
http://imgur.com/EXTX9bv

cornsnakegirl
06-30-2013, 07:57 PM
Crap, did that wrong. Trying again! Sorry to spam, I wish there was an edit button I don't have to pay for :P If this doesn't work I'll try another image hosting place.

http://i.imgur.com/Q3krgqa.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/EXTX9bv.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/lhtidSi.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/Ak4f6vD.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/MxX8wFk.jpg?1

Twovultures
06-30-2013, 09:29 PM
Yeah, I've tried feeding mine on a tupperware lid or piece of cardboard, and she ALWAYS knocks or drags it off, getting it covered in some substrate before eating it (and once absolutely covered!)

Thus far, there haven't been any problems-she's defecating and eating healthily and doesn't seem impacted, but I've actually started feeding her in a large plastic tupperware. I put her and the thawed mouse in the tupperware, and lay it in her vivarium. She eats at her leisure and then leaves the tupperware when she feels like it, and I don't get nervous about her eating woodchips.

Chip
06-30-2013, 09:50 PM
Normal poo with urea. The aspen will be digested (unless perhaps it was a huge piece), don't expect wood chips or anything.

cornsnakegirl
06-30-2013, 10:06 PM
Okay haha, a wood chip was kind of what I was expecting. Does that fact that she pooped at all mean she's not impacted, or should I wait for another poop to do a happy dance and be certain she's clear?

Alicia P
06-30-2013, 10:26 PM
I think one poop is a sign that things are still moving, which is great. Definitely wait for another poop before you get your groove on.

Blue Apple Herps
07-01-2013, 08:36 AM
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Keep in mind these guys are wild animals - they don't have the luxury of clean deli cups and tubs to be fed in. I'm sure they're ingesting all sorts of crap when they eat.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't be concerned or take precautions when feeding, just that a small piece of aspen is very unlikely to cause any harm.

braingarble
07-05-2013, 02:54 PM
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Keep in mind these guys are wild animals - they don't have the luxury of clean deli cups and tubs to be fed in. I'm sure they're ingesting all sorts of crap when they eat.


THIS ^^^ .

I still take some precaution, but I don't overly worry about it. I put the Rodent on a small piece of reptile carpet. I recently started using the top from those "to go" cups of cookies.

-braingarble

cornsnakegirl
07-05-2013, 09:08 PM
I'm just about to feed her now, two fuzzies, and I found I have a mouse that's much bigger than my fuzzies that must be a hopper, and so next feeding she'll get that. It looks bigger than her width for sure, just not sure if too much but we'll see next week! Hopefully all is well with her stomach! I haven't been finding fresh looking poop, but I'm gone a lot...