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new hatchling wont eat :(

Scenting f/t pinkie with a rat or the chicken broth have both worked for me!
And for gods sake.... Do NOT go dissecting live animals! Jeesh! Also.... Putting a live lizard in the deep freeze for " about an hour" is the epitome of cruelty to animals. There are ways to humanely dispense of a particular food item.
 
Bobbi said:
i guess next step is the ride on the dryer, seems kinda silly lol but i'm willing to try anything right about now.
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that's exactly how I felt when it was suggested to me for my nonfeeder. But it was the trick for him. He's gone from a 20 min dryer ride and eating in the dark to accepting his mouse from tongs and allowing me to watch him eat. Every little guy is different, you have to find what works for yours.

I'm no expert, but it kinda worries me that he doesn't even have an interest in live.
 
What has worked for me for really picky eaters: washing a f/t pinky, then without touching the pinky with my hands (use feeding tongs) I put a small peice of green anole shed on the nose of the pinky. They gobble it up fast!
 
LOL you guys are something else. If I have snake that doesn't want to eat I will do everything possible to get them to feed. Most people feed live and that's not an issue. Don't sit there and tell me what is right and wrong. Braining a live pinky kills it right away any how. I have been doing this for years and have a high success rate on getting my snakes to feed. And it's something we don't do everyday. If you read the whole post you see it is one of the finally steps in the process. Do you know how many big breeders do this just to get snakes to feed and you just don't hear about it Tons. So don't judge me when I have the snakes in mind to get them to feed. Go ahead and starve yours then see how that works out for you DONE HERE ....
 
And Also if you see this is mainly used for kings. Most kings are lizard feeders anyways and these are ways we get them switched over to feeding on rodents read the whole post people....
 
Sinisterrodents said:
LOL you guys are something else. If I have snake that doesn't want to eat I will do everything possible to get them to feed. Most people feed live and that's not an issue. Don't sit there and tell me what is right and wrong. Braining a live pinky kills it right away any how. I have been doing this for years and have a high success rate on getting my snakes to feed. And it's something we don't do everyday. If you read the whole post you see it is one of the finally steps in the process. Do you know how many big breeders do this just to get snakes to feed and you just don't hear about it Tons. So don't judge me when I have the snakes in mind to get them to feed. Go ahead and starve yours then see how that works out for you DONE HERE ....
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Actually, you list it as Step 3.

And most people feed FT. Do a search for Live Feeding Poll. There are at least two polls that indicate FT is the most commonly fed prey.

Live feeding is not even in question here. Mutilating a LIVING ANIMAL is wrong, in my opinion. The fact that it is cruel isn't even open to debate. If you can live with that- hey, go for it. Everyone has to set their limit somewhere. But don't be telling people that is is common, or acceptable, or anything other than a last-ditch effort that _most_ of us would never stoop to.

So who exactly are the big breeders that do this??
 
When my beloved Diamond Lil was intent on starving herself to death, I'd have tried just about anything, but braining a live pink would have been totally step too far. Interestingly, the first prey she voluntarily took was actually washed live pinks, needing the reduction in scent rather than an increase
 
That poll is for this little group here only. Doesn't say it's for everyone out there. Also I don't go doing this everyday with hatchlings if I was to say it may have happen 6-7 times if not less. I was trying to help out here showing different ways to do it. The first 2 which work about 99% of time are used methods. But there is that slight chance it may need to be done. The person asked for help and i gave it. Sorry if that was wrong. I will take my Ideas and methods somewhere else then. I don't need to be judged where I keeping the snakes health in mind because I slit a live day old pinky mouse head open. And for that just to let you know after they ate the first one like that they did got to F/T on the next try if you where wondering ....And the breeders I won't go naming are people I have gotten these ideas from as well as last resorts. If it's so bad then take the post down so other people don't get any ideas then ???? Why keep it up so people can keep bashing my ideas???
 
As far as I am concerned, "people" like this sinisterrodents were the VERY reason that I used to be all for reptile bans nationwide. People like this had me thinking that snake keepers in general were horrible inhumane monsters.
I have since changed many of my views, matured a bit, starting keeping snakes myself, and met some of the best people in the whole world right.here.on.this.site. However, my opinion of people like sinisterrodents here remains unchanged.
 
I'm sad that it has come down to this and will not allow my name to be drug through the mud. I sorry that you all feel this way and I will never post up on here again or give any advice. I will do what i think is right for my snakes and making sure they are healthy. Sorry if you don't agree on that and you guys and girls to continue your methods and what not. I'm sorry if I was looking in the best interest of the owner of the snake. You don't have to use my methods. But was giving out different ideas....But I guess I was wrong in doing that.
 
I just don't think it should be presented as a common or recommended practice.

If it kills the pink instantly anyway- what's the point??
 
And, I was one of the people defending Tom Crutchfield's "right" to feed his king cobra any live snake he felt like feeding it. But that is the cobra's natural prey, killed by the cobra in the cobra's natural manner.
 
I see that- Rich the site owner doesn't do that. (Blue for moderator talk)

(Black for personal opinion). Please don't take my opinion on your method as a personal attack. I still STRONGLY feel that it isn't right. I don't know what I'd do if I had the only Palmetto in the world and it wouldn't eat and that was my very last thing I hadn't tried. Tube feed, I guess. Like I said, everyone has a line they won't cross. I won't feed live reptiles or amphibians, although I will bait and switch. I'll scent with live. I'll remove an inch of tail from an anole- but I won't kill it. I'll release it to grow another tail.

I guess the important thing is for new people with stubborn feeders to know that there are many, many tricks, and variations on those tricks.

You don't have to go. Even though I do not agree with your #3 method, I will not let anyone abuse you here.
 
I have not and WILL NOT brain a live pinky, i have brained and slit a F/T one though. as far as lizard scenting goes i did try to rub a pink on my Gecko (who is alive lol)...he thought it was a snack so i lost that battle. rat scenting didn't work. like i said the ride on the dryer may very well be the last thing before dipping in chicken broth and then trying to find someone experienced enough to teach me to assist feed, i really hope it doesn't go that far though. Twist is now resting for a few days before my next trial and error, ill weigh him again then and see if hes dropped too much if any weight.
 
You can always offer more than one choice at a time. People also report success with KFC grease scenting, raw chicken juice, tuna water, and ivory soap washing has a high rate of success.
 
Sometimes it's the brand of the mouse too. I have 1 young snake who will ONLY eat mice from Layne Labs but refuses (completely and totally) from any other source, even home raised (and I tried all of the tricks in the book).

Note: it may not hurt to find out the band of rodent he had been previously eating. It looks like he's been eating well at some point so this honestly may be the issue, or might work.
 
Sinisterrodents said:
LOL you guys are something else. If I have snake that doesn't want to eat I will do everything possible to get them to feed. Most people feed live and that's not an issue. Don't sit there and tell me what is right and wrong. Braining a live pinky kills it right away any how. I have been doing this for years and have a high success rate on getting my snakes to feed. And it's something we don't do everyday. If you read the whole post you see it is one of the finally steps in the process. Do you know how many big breeders do this just to get snakes to feed and you just don't hear about it Tons. So don't judge me when I have the snakes in mind to get them to feed. Go ahead and starve yours then see how that works out for you DONE HERE ....
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Cutting up a live animal should not ever have any part in getting a hatchling to eat. There are several different ways to get them to eat, there is no reason to ever harm a live creature like that.

None of the big breeders I know would do that.
 
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