I know there's lots of people against it, but have you tried live? You can wiggle the mouse in front of them all you want, they know whether or not it's alive. I'd definitely try a rat pinky and a live mouse, all mine that don't like to eat sometimes will take either.

i may have to try live. im not against it, its more of a problem with having the ability to stun the mouse. i dont know if i can bring myself to thunk a mouse on the head like that =\. so ill probably try a rat pinkie first. and if that fails next time ill have to get my boyfriend to do the dirtywork on a live one or something. im going to try frozen/thawed again tonight with chicken broth because i cant get to a live/rat pinkie right now, i live in the boonies unfortunately. wish me luck!

to anyone whos interested, lars is eating again! his fast lasted 127 days, but hes pretty much back to eating normally. thanks for everyones suggestions and considerations.