Well Said Nanci !!! That is what happend to me! I lost all 4 of the snakes I bought AND the 2 snakes he sent as replacments! Doc told me no one else was having any trouble with his snakes so I felt so guilty that maybe I was doing something wrong that I told him he didn't need to refund my payment. Little did I know that I would check the BOI a few months later and find out there was LOTS of people going through the same thing I did!:awcrap:

Todd

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I hope you realize you did _nothing_ wrong. I guess if we want to continue this line of conversation further, we'd better do it on the BOI.

I apologized a few months ago. The title of the Thread was 'My Apologies'.
How did you not see it? The fact that you Bumped this thread exactly 1 minute after I posted my Butter Ad was definitely singling me out. The comment about the 'Locked Thread' confirmed this fact. Lets at least be honest about it. I was questioning myself during all this mess too. I paid for tests on my snakes and others as well to rule out disease. I was very relieved that disease was not the culprit. I didnt see the obvious long term Nutritional effects of skipped or missed meals on some of the snakes until Rich brought it to my attention. I never had so many hatchlings before that I was faced with this issue. I always had smooth running breeding seasons. I am not happy this happened to anyone. I should have kept any snakes that werent perfectly ok here on my end instead of trusting that they would be alright somehow. It was bad judgement. After thinning out any remaining questionable 2011 babies last fall, I sterilized everything I had including my Adult Sterlites to rule out any remote possibility of anything else before cooling down my Breeders. The yearlings and remaining hatchlings are being fed thru the winter and are doing great.
I realize that there are some who will not buy my snakes again. Sadly, I have to accept this reality but I do not want to be labeled as some monster on this site.
Again for the record, I am sorry about any of this happening. All I can do from this point forward is to try to do everything as close to perfect as possible.
Thank you for hearing me out.

I'd like to request that you start by answering for this on the BOI if you are trying to 'make it right'.

Most of us are not easily fooled.
Actions speak louder than words. The way you handled the situation:
Denying that there was any problem, blaming it on the people purchasing from you, not stepping up to the plate to take care of this BEFORE it was pointed out and making continuous claims that "I haven't had a problem with anyone else" when you CLEARLY DID AND KNEW IT (which, I might add is a blatant and direct lie)... speaks volumes in and of itself. And you know this.

Hello all, I would like to ask anyone thinking of buying snakes online to check the BOI and if the person is not there ask about them. If you have questions about using the BOI, I or anyone here will help you. Just remember pretty pictures and lovely words do not always make for a good place to buy from.

I just got done getting caught up on posting my BOI's for the people I have bought snakes from so I thought I would bump this as well. BOI is a great resource and I highly recommend using it before you purchase anything reptile related.

For future reference I'm just trying to figure out how the BOI works. I don't see a search feature or is that something that pops up once you're fully registered for it? I just don't see how in the world you even begin to find information on a buyer or seller on there.

It's laid out just like this forum. Search is along the top toolbar, right before "log out" and "Quick links."

Thanks Chip I didn't see it there so I'm guessing the button doesn't show until my registration to the site is approved.

The BOI (Board of Inquiry) is a place where you can look up a breeder or potential buyer, to see if they have a track record of being good to deal with or not so good to deal with.
Not everyone has a BOI thread, so it's important that if/when you make a purchase or sell to someone, post a thread to let everyone know how the transaction went.

Also, I recently found out that a girl (whom I will not name, until she gives the approval) got some babies from Doc not too long ago, & she is having trouble getting them to eat (not sure if all of the Doc babies, or just a few), but soome are now dead or dying.
I've suggested that she post in the BOI, but I don't know if she will. She's pretty heartbroken about these babies.

Great- so much for his recent proclamation on BOI that it was all behind him...

Well this is really to bad. I had hoped for the sake of snakes and others this was taken care of like he promised. I feel bad for anyone dealing with this but I do hope they come forward and post on BOI that way others know this is a continuing problem and don't suffer the same heart ache and stress.

Bump for the new year. Always check the BOI before buying!

Beat me to it!

Thanks guys, not a lot of people know about the BOI, I always refer people to it!

Thanks Josh! I have been thinking about doing this for weeks now since baby season is upon us now.

Since it is baby season, thought I would bump this thread. Please before you buy from ANYONE check out the BOI on fauna!

DEFINITELY check the BOI!! Save yourself the heartache of getting babies that could end up dying on you!!

If you're looking to buy a snake from someone you do not personally know, do yourself a favor & check the BOI thread on Fauna Classifieds!!

A couple minutes of research can potentially save you from the heartache of ending up dealing with poor business practices, or sick/dying animals.

Sadly, this needs a BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/sho...65&postcount=7

Very sad indeed
 

Hi Nanci
I am sick to my stomach over this.
I have six years with smooth sailing and positive breeding and sales experiences on the site.
I don't know what to say about this. I felt good about everything until I got the email about the complaint.
These snakes are not at poor post brumation weights and are vigorous with clear eyes, solid muscle tone, no skin tenting or any signs or poor health.
They laid beautiful eggs last season which hatched with no incident.
They were brumated for 3 months and had been out of brumation for 3 weeks and had eaten twice before I shipped them out. I waited 7 days after the last feeding to ship them to prevent them soiling the shipping box.
I only charged $50 to ship the box even thought it cost me $95.
I have no problem with refunding Matts money if he is unhappy.
I am really sorry about all of this. I was excited about sending him the snakes and told him so before I shipped them. I thought he felt the same.
I just think it is unfortunate that he savagely attacked me online instead of contacting me directly so I could address his complaint. I have had these 4 snakes for years and have enjoyed them very much. I just don't get it.
I am really sorry about all of this. I am trying to fix it. Hope your season goes well.

So what you're saying is that you're willing to breed females that are under 200 grams? Because the one year I brumated, my snakes lost very little weight... as in, maybe 10 or 15 grams. I think the largest lost was 30 grams on a 400 gram snake.

You have BOI threads from 2014 and 2011. You have NOT had 6 years of positive experience as several people from *this site* have contributed to those BOI posts.

Great bump Nanci!
 

Perhaps the most important bump in the history of this site. EVERYBODY please check the BOI before making any purchases. You would be surprised how many of us have been victims.

Nanci, thanks a bunch for this bump.
I HATE making threads on the BOI about people in the industry, but I felt these were grossly misrepresented.
I have pictures with weights and everything if someone a bit more savvy than I could post them.
I'm on my iPad and can't resize them, but would be glad to send them to anyone who'd like to post them up.
I HATE a thief, and a liar. Reputation is EVERYTHING for me.
I spend ALOT of money on my collection, and want to give other buyers the same service I myself expect.
Sorry Doc, but you may want to rethink being a reptile Doc of any kind. These poor females need to be fed HEAVILY, as I assume they've been bred far too much, or just never get fed at all. There's no way in hell I'd try and breed this season, or probably even next.
I've got 2014's that are far bigger than these 2010/2012's.
I hate slinging mud at ANYONE, BUT this is completely unacceptable.
They were all in one bag, freezing cold (I requested a heat pack, think I got one???), and in a 7X7X7 box. Who does that???

He's actually NOT a veterinarian...

Well, since Doc has decided to be such a "professional" with his response to me, after having received his "ever so lovely" imaciated females back, I find it only appropriate to show what a chipper, and dandy delight of a fellow he is to do business with...
Posted to me tonight:

So, now I think it only fair that I respond here.

I told him (after I received my money back) that I'd ship them out Monday to him, which I was not able to do. I sent him a message and told him that I would most certainly send them out on Tuesday, which I DID do.
He received them back this morning, NOT having taken 8 days as he states. I waited until my money had been refunded by PayPal, not the dear ol' Doc, himself.
His items WERE sent back to him the exact same way he shipped them, with a few exceptions of course.
They were sent back in one BIG snake bag, unlike the smaller one he'd shipped them to me in. And a 9X9X9 box, much unlike the smaller 7X7X7 he'd shipped them to me in. They also had a 60 hour heat pack in the box (which I might add he never included for me when he shipped them, after I'd asked him to do).
They were laid on a thick piece of bubble wrap for cushioning, with packing peanuts meticulously placed for comfort, which I might add that the good ol' Doc never opted for when shipping them out to me...
The $100 dollars he claimed to be out on shipping cost to me in a 7X7X7 cost me only $49 and some change to ship back to him in a larger box with at least a pound and a half more weight...
I'll never see that $50 reimbursed now will I, Doc???

So with all that being said, who'd like to see these lovely females he boasts??? I know I sure would, so let's have a look-see!

This is a picture of all 4 females having been weighed together right after I pulled them from the 7X7X7 box he shipped them in, the day of their arrival.
Notice the whopping gram weight that 3 2010's and 1 2012 female are sitting fat on??? Yeah??? Me either!
728.8 grams, not pounds... I know, I was optimistic, too...

So... Here's the nice big spinal kink on the Opal Bloodred female I received from him... A 6 year old 2010 female that weighed an insane 177 grams...
Seems like a big, healthy, robust female, no???

Oh, and the kink...

And now for the other 3 proven breeders...
I must be just crazy (you know, since I'm an idiot and all) to have let these go...
I must've been out my mind not to have just kept and bred this monster!!!

I really thought this girl was dead (or on deaths door) when I pulled her from the bag, but to my surprise, she was just play-kiddin'!
And never mind the poop on her back in the photo, she came fully equipped with that, FREE OF CHARGE!

And last but not least, another monster!!!

So with all that being said, and animals shown for posterity's sake, here's his sales thread:
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/sho...69#post1707969

Did he not make it sound like they were ready to be bred???
He said, I said that he "lied" about their weights, when I didn't say a thing about that.
What I said was they were misrepresented as being ready to breed, as you can see he did say on his own sales thread...

I didn't ask weights because I'd have assumed no one in their right mind would've bred 2010's and a 2012 this underweight, but... We can't all be Doc's, can we?

Id also like to point out the fact that he charged me $50 for shipping, when in his very own sales thread states that all orders over $500 receive free shipping...
My total for all 4 snakes combined was $525, and he charged me... $575.
The $95 he claims he spent on shipping??? That's the lie, it cost me $49 (and some change) to ship these all in a bigger box with much more added weight to secure and warm them, back to him.

So who's the liar, Doc???

Please make sure you add all of this to his thread over on the BOI.

Definitely!!

Grasping at Straws now ain't we "Doc"???
 

I figure since he has the thread closed, and won't let me respond, I'll just post his latest "professional" retort against me calling him out.
Now this is how you handle business folks, take note!

How can I attain access to the Board of Inquiry?