Personally, I'm still waiting for Susan to explain her comments. I'm vocal because I was shocked and dismayed to see what I saw as racial bigotry and an incitement to assassinate the serving President on this forum. If I misinterpreted Susan's post and her intent, I'll apologise to her.

What was susans comment!

Here's the post I find objectionable

So this is the spade comment that was so highly offensive.

I posted this in response in another thread, and was confused how someone found it offensive. Until now I didn't realize it was the spade comment that might be seen as offensive, as I honestly thought it was interpreted as calling it like it is, and meant no other statement.

Apparently Wade thought it was offensive, because of the spade comment. Which now makes sense, seeing I guess it does have a certain meaning to others.

But this confuses me?

Moderators...what have they come to these days!

Mikey baby, give me a break. I was screwing with you, it was a joke. I was throwing your words back at you. Ha Ha, I laugh, humor. Look it up.

Apparently moderators are not supposed to be under any obligation to post in any particular fashion. :shrugs:

Actually, when y'all post as one and answer for each other, I DO have a problem with y'all. When Michael posts as Micheal, I have very little problems with Micheal. If Ricky wouldn't be speaking for you half of the time, I think very few people would have a problem with you.

However, my feelings aside for Ricky or you, that is irrelevant. One or both of you are famous for calling anyone that doesn't like his policies a racist. That's calling Wolf, and your (you, Ricky, or both) doing that is why I offer you so little slack. I don't appreciate the name calling, and I don't forget lightly. It doesn't bother me because I know why I hate the man so much, and it has nothing to do with race. Your intent to libel my character is what has me so disgusted with your discussion techniques. Y'all cry WOLF too much for many people to care about it any longer.

Excuse me for pointing out that you are speaking from ignorance. Do you even KNOW the group of people I'm referring to? These ARE rightw-ing extremists. Do you even know a real member of the firearm culture? I mean a law-abiding citizen that feels his firearms are an extension of his self. No offense, but someone barely old enough to buy a pistol is unlikely to know about the group I'm discussing. Again, don't feel compelled to answer something that you know nothing about. Just let it go and try to find out info before posting.


It isn't a diversion. ...and I used lynch to describe a white guy that needed it. It is a real question: why is it OK for you to use a racially charged word (through claimed ignorance that I don't believe) but nobody else can use a word that you find offensive if they don't mean it in an offensive way? WHAT is the difference? I use lynch, and I don't mean it racially. You use spade and don't mean it racially. Why am I wrong and you are right? Is it because you can do no wrong?

...oh, and to everyone else, governments SHOULD be held responsible when they do actuions that harm their people. When they go against the people's wishes and hurt them, they SHOULD fear for their lives - not just their jobs or future salaries!

Three things I’ve learned in life, Don’t throw rocks as Super Man, Don’t pee into the wind, and don’t piss off the moderators.

Erm....I take you are also in favour of armed revolution and murdering elected Govt officials? And just how does advocating an armed coup seperate you from any other dictator/revolutionary/terrorist/freedom-fighter? (the terms are largely interchangeable depending on which side of the revolution you're standing)

You really have no idea what my sister is like, so please refrain from making statements about her.

The intellect of people is not at all related to whether they are decent human beings or not. I will agree that Castro, Hitler, etc are/were very intelligent people. They would have to be in order to be able to do the atrocities that they have and still maintain control over their countries. She didn't condone their actions, just agreed with the statement about their intellect. And how many mass murderers can you name that had friends and neighbors say that they were extremely nice and that they were surprised to find out that they had committed such horrific crimes. I would think you could come up with quite a few. Besides, that isn't even the issue that has been discussed here concerning me.

Since several vocal members are insisting on a further explanation of the deep dark hidden meanings to everything I type, I shall do my best to spell it out for you...not that it would really make any difference anyway.

I do not like Obama.

I believe that what Obama wants to accomplish as President is to turn this country into a complete socialist/communist state and perhaps remain at it's head as dictator.

I believe that Obama also has ties to Al-Qaeda and terrorist ideals.

I recognize the unnerving resemblances between Obama and the anti-Christ.

There were several political discussions going on in the forum at the time of my initial "lynching" comment, including potential roads that Obama could take this country down.

I responded to several comments in that one post, first asking if KJUN could name a politician that wasn't a piece of fiction (humor present here folks) and then that if Obama was given a few more years in office (in order to be able to fulfill more of his communistic plans), that it may result in a "good ol' fashion lynchin'" (non-socialist Americans would probably take it upon themselves to remove Obama from office, with or without due process of law). Please make note of " ol' " instead of "old" and " lynchin' " instead of "lynching", an attempt to inflect a tone to the statement, implying the dialect of not only the South, but that of the old West as seen in a really bad grade B or spaghetti Western, where lynchings are often seen (they did that to Clint Eastwood in Hang 'Em High, for example). That intent at inflection indicates that attempt at humor at not only the possible path of Obama's leadership and the resulting action (as unfortunate as that path would be) but also at the double endendre at the fact that Obama is of negro heritage and such resulting action would be reminiscent of the days when racial lynching occurred ("bonus" to the humor of the statement). You must also understand the double edge to the statement and the humor as the thought of Obama's intents as I believe them to be really isn't funny and actually something I am dead serious about and that concerns me deeply.

Now that I have used up several hours of my time, if any of you need me to dissect any more of my statements into terms that you might comprehend, please let me know, but be aware that I will probably not be able to get to them as soon as you might like (therefore giving you plenty of time to twist and misconstrue them to your heart's content) as I am off of my vacation and back to my usual work schedule, which takes priority over this silliness.

Susan I may be a child or mabye "that child" but I dislike obama as much as you but this is a public forum and I wouls not state my political opinions the way you did on an open international REPTILE forum! I think that this whole stupid argument could have been avoided if you had not worded it the way you did.
'Lil D

If I said how I feel about you I'd be banned from this site Susan.

Oh MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! People this thread has gotton so frggin obnoxious! Lets all agree to disagree




Irony? Maybe.

Susan, you area moderator you are supposed to set an example. I may be inclined to PM Rich about this. It upsets me that you are so critical of me and then you pst what you do. Diareha of the mouth

I may be reading this wrong so forgive me if my assumption is incorrect. By using a southern accent you infer to lynchings in the old days like in the south or old corny weterns and think if Obama should really turn into the antichrist as a socialist or communist and be lynched old fashion style the fact that he is black would make it even funnier than if he weren't because of the irony of the situation? I hope thats a wrong assumption on my part because thats definitely racist on some levels to find it more amusing that a black president be lynched even though I am not pleased so far with his actions- thats a pretty harsh and not so funny statement.

I can't answer for KJ, but I can give you my thought on this. I don't think he was referring to actually murdering elected officials, but merely warning them.

To put it in simple terms, he is warning them that they are a government built by the people, of the people, for the people and if they overstep their boundaries by trying to take away the rights and liberties, that this country was founded on, then there could be another uprising.

Get it now!

Wayne

David, Do not even think about complaining especially with your recent checkered past here. I am hocked by the wording of the statement, but this is America and Susan is more than entitled to her opinion. It's not like she's the only one with racially incorrect opinions unfortunately a lot of people feel this way no matter how far society has come. So she said her bit and you disagree...welcome to being a young adult sometimes people do not agree on a topic, but you don't go tattle on them. If people had treated you that way you may have been banned some time ago. Tolerance is a word that has to work both ways you know:)

I know tolerence goes both wasy but during that time Susan and other were tellign me about acting like an adult. And I don't think susan was acting like an adult

Boy, did I call that one!

No, moderators are NOT supposed to set an example. I am NOT your parent. Moderators are to monitor the site for violations of the rules. I have not violated any forum rules, only voiced my opinion as so many others of you have done.

That is kind of difficult to read as your punctuation is a bit lacking. I'm not sure if you have it correct or not. Let me reiterate for you...IF Obama turns out to be a socialist/communist dictator and/or the anti-Christ, I would most definitely be in the lynch mob. How's that. Clear enough for you? And it has absolutely NO racial connotations to it at all as I would lynch ANY President, black, white or purple who tries to take my country and my freedom away from me.

Adults have diverse opinions David and being racist is an adult opinion though in our era its more shocking because we are younger and not as used to these opinions thats all. I don't think Susan is a bad person because she shared her opinion, but if I assumed correct based on her statement its just not an opinion I share. No tattling when you don't agree- just don't agree and leave it at that- thats what maturity is about.

I am not going to PM Rich because obviously he chose you to moderate this forum. Now Susan you are not my parent but I was raised correct and that kind of talk I saw as out of line.

I am not gonna comment for a while but Dean please bring out the mod stick and close it down. I am gonna go fishing mabye when i get back Raptior will be out of surgery

Well I guess we're in English class. You said it would be a double entendre should Obama be lynched because he's black adding humor to the statement. I said thats racist because black refers to his color, and when one finds it more amusing that something bad happens to a member of a different race it is a racially negative comment. I could care less if your views on black people are skewed, but don't deny it or use my poor grammar to deflect your racist opinion- just say yes I'm racist oning it because that I can understand.

"I recognize the unnerving resemblances between Obama and the anti-Christ."

This type of statement really scares me more than words can say. Honestly, could you pick Christ himself out of a line up if he stood in front of you? And do you really have an image of the Anti Christ to go by?
I have never read the bible, but I know that it provides a lot of hope and moral character for some people. I think that believing in Christ can be a great thing for an individual, but those that are usually the strongest willed people are the least extreme in dictating what others should believe.

"That intent at inflection indicates that attempt at humor at not only the possible path of Obama's leadership and the resulting action (as unfortunate as that path would be) but also at the double endendre at the fact that Obama is of negro heritage and such resulting action would be reminiscent of the days when racial lynching occurred ("bonus" to the humor of the statement)."

Bonus to the humor statement? I really need to question this statement, because nothing seemed to be implied as humor, and it certainly wasn't funny.

Thank you for breaking down my thoughts exactly.

I meant own your opinion- I really need a new keyboard:(

I don't know Susan and I don't know if she is a racist. Yes, when taken in a certain context, what she said, could be taken as a racist statement, but I think that she was pointing out the irony, in the situation.

Do you know how many times I have been taken out of context or that I have taken someone out of context. Not in a situation so charged or considered racist, but, it has happened. How many times have you written something in this forum and seen replies to it, that had nothing to do with what you were meaning?

The problem I am seeing is that people are seeing the word, "Lynch" and attatching racial meanings to it. I can understand why people would do that. But, I don't find that word any more racially charged then the words "cracker" or "popcorn" (KJ introduced me to that one). It's a word, made famous by the media, during the time, when the KKK was committing brutal crimes against, not just African Americans, but Jews, Catholics, Homosexuals, etc. But they are more notoriously known for their heinous crimes against African Americans.

Before you pass judgment. Try to look at this from all angles. I would hate to see Susan labeled as that, when there is a possibility that she isn't and was just taken out of context.

JMO

Wayne

I am not a subscriber, but if you read Revelations and the description of the Anti-Christ, that is contained within. It is eerily similar. Not just the description of the "Anti-Christ" but the state of world, at the time of his coming.

Wayne

Wayne I do agree with you and held judgement until Susan replied with her intent. Saying the fact that if Obama were lynched (which in it of itself is not racist), it would be a double entendre to the situation because he was black (which is racist) is why I commented Susan may have some inner negative racial issues. I find lynching jokes funny, but I do not find them any funnier if the lynchee is black.

Oh, I agree! I don't find it funny, at all! I was eluding to the fact that I think she was pointing to the irony of the comment, considering the potential racial (I don't agree) implications of the word, "lynch".

Maybe it's her sense of humor that needs adjusting?

Wayne

Maybe? I am a fan of jokes even ones with racial origins when told humorously and in good fun. I just didn't get the "good fun" feel from her ironic statement and think maybe she was serious in a sense.

As I mentioned, I would hate to accuse her of something that was at least said, in very poor taste, if it was meant as some sort of joke. I'm not a member of this forum or in a position to judge a person or any person. I leave that to whoever we answer to, in the next life!

Wayne

I give up. There is absolutely no explanation I can possibly give that some of you will accept or even understand. If you want to believe that the statement is racial, be my guest. I don't care anymore. If lynching a communistic dictator that happens to be black is racist, so be it. Had Hillary Clinton won the election, I would lynch her as well if she took this country down the communist path. Is that anti-racist? And I would also laugh at it because she has also been accused of being the anti-Christ. You don't find that humorous? There are several other current dictators that I would like to see lynched, but their populace just doesn't have the balls to do it, hoping someone else will. The U.S.A. took care of Saddam Hussein for the Iraqis at least. I thoroughly enjoyed seeing him hang, but they did it legally. But from his point of view, it wasn't legal as he considered himself to still be in control, so they lynched him too. And Dale is a big fan of irony.

Do I have a problem with the African American subculture in this country? Yes I do. But there are many people of color that feel the same way. I guess they are racist too...imagine that, black people racist against other black people. At least I'm not alone in my thinking. And surprise! I am also prejudiced against certain types of white folks too! The trash that takes advantage of all this country has to give, such as my sister-in-law, who has worked an entire 2 weeks in all her 50+ years because some quack psychologist declared that she couldn't emotionally handle a job. She was a lousy 18 years old and simply would rather go out and party than go to work. Now she gets to live off our tax money, let the state take care of her children (2 of which actually have the same father, the rest are not even sure of who their father is), and uses the money she gets to buy drugs. One small case, you say...BULL HOCKEY!! The trailer park she lives in has hundreds of virtually identical cases. If a tornado came down now and wiped it all off the map, I would not feel remorse, but would probably give a little "yippee" before going back to work to support my family knowing that at least some of my tax dollars will now go elsewhere.

Danielle, re-read your post. I would sure hate to misinterpret it, but there are 2 sentences that are difficult for me to follow. And unfortunately, both of them take up 95% of your post.

Let's see...anything else? Not at this point. Maybe after I go pick up my daughter from the bus stop.

I find the Anti Christ thing as offensive as any racially charged words. It's as crazy to think that Obama is the Anti-Christ, as it was for people to think Hitler was the second coming. He is our PRESIDENT, good god what is wrong with people!
By all other accounts he is an incredible man, a great father, and cares considerably about the welfare of others. I don't feel Bush was the greatest president, but would never put him in the context of the bible's definition of evil, or Anti-Christ.
There are some real whack jobs out there that scare me, and religious extremism is one of the leading categories of mentally disturbed people. How can the bible have described the Anti-Christ as Obama like, when there have been such leaders as Hitler which people interpreted as the second coming.
I am making no connection to Christianity or any other religion in general, as I know that most people use the bible as a guiding light, and incorporate the positive message into their daily lives.

David, I commend you for standing up and stating your opinion in this heated conversation. You are as entitled as anyone to an opinion and to disagree with others opinions. But it take guts to stand up and voice your opinions when you know there are several people looking for a opportunity to slap you down.

On the other hand, Susan is also entitled to her opinions. It is not necessary for you or I to agree with her. If you are allowed to state your opinion, how can you ask for the thread to be shut down because you don’t like what others have said?

You have had several threads locked for a variety of reasons but in this case, heated as it maybe, nobody is breaking rules here. We are having a discussion. Dean has other things to do.

That would be an opinion, I have the opinion that he could not care less about my welfare. In my opinion, he wants to take my hard earned money and give it to you (not you literally, but you figuratively). Taking my money would reduce my quality of life (welfare).

Michael, you need to know what you are objecting to. If you haven’t read the bible and don’t know what it says about the Anti-Christ, how can you get so upset. Nobody called Bush the Anti-Christ because he doesn’t fit the description in any way. Bro. Obama does, in many ways. I have never considered Hitler as the Second Coming and I think very few have. I am not a religious person so I don’t really get too excited one way or the other, but I have read the bible and I do know what it says. You apparently have not and are upset about what you think it says.

Thanks for saving me some time! I love you, man!

Michael, what Wade said: