Getting tired of it...

If there's a post that is annoying, I just skip it. There's enough great information on here still & if people stopped resonding to the annoying stuff then the posts wouldn't grow and escalate into REALLY annoying posts.

tyflier said:

Well, Zwyatt...just off the top of my head--

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Whether or not that was off the top of your head or it actually took you 50 minutes to compose...I do not know. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

I give you a pat on the back for actually completing the task. However, it's hardly necessary that I point out that you yourself say that most of your citations were cases where the inflammatory responses were received some what deservingly. Not to mention that several of them were the result of the same incendiary individual (jdizzy/pcs), so I can hardly count them as isolated incidences.

Still, I see your point and can partially understand your concern regarding the escalation of the questionable comments. The whole thing is still just thin ice for me.

And feel free to call me Zach, if you're inclined to do so

I've been trying soooo hard to stay out of this...

But Elle, I just can't help it anymore thanks to you.

You being banned from the other forum stems from you being banned from chat. Your being banned from chat stems from comments you made privately to a moderator. The comments led said mod to question your motives, thus banning you from chat to prevent an incident. Further comments/actions by you, proved said mod was correct in being wary of you, and led to the banning from the forum, again, before trouble was caused.

Many of the people I've talked to are looking for the other forum to be slightly more controlled, and less troll-populated. A big complaint since the chat thread is a lack of moderation here, and the complaints in this thread about "not feeling like home" and constant personal attacks are something that forum is trying to avoid. Because of this goal, you were banned. You're known to cause trouble, and are not well liked. I have no problems with you, and have had many great times chatting with you. However, your reaction and constant references to an "elitist group" show unmeasurable immaturity. It's an internet forum...move on!

And as for the whole "elitist group" thing...the fact that I'm a member disproves that whole theory. I'm a somewhat-nice guy, who has a few corns but mostly boids. So kinda hard to make that claim. Plus, I know of a few other people who are members there who I highly doubt anybody would refer to as an "elitist" to their face.

As we continue to cite our links for what personally constitutes an "annoying thread", and as we continue to request said links for "proof" of the contention that's been going on as of late, guess what happens?

This thread will morph into an annoying, contentious thread. :grin01:


By the way, I'm a huge fan of irony. :cheers:


regards,
jazz

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jazzgeek again.

CMLReptiles said:

I've been trying soooo hard to stay out of this...

But Elle, I just can't help it anymore thanks to you.

You being banned from the other forum stems from you being banned from chat. Your being banned from chat stems from comments you made privately to a moderator. The comments led said mod to question your motives, thus banning you from chat to prevent an incident. Further comments/actions by you, proved said mod was correct in being wary of you, and led to the banning from the forum, again, before trouble was caused.

Many of the people I've talked to are looking for the other forum to be slightly more controlled, and less troll-populated. A big complaint since the chat thread is a lack of moderation here, and the complaints in this thread about "not feeling like home" and constant personal attacks are something that forum is trying to avoid. Because of this goal, you were banned. You're known to cause trouble, and are not well liked. I have no problems with you, and have had many great times chatting with you. However, your reaction and constant references to an "elitist group" show unmeasurable immaturity. It's an internet forum...move on!

And as for the whole "elitist group" thing...the fact that I'm a member disproves that whole theory. I'm a somewhat-nice guy, who has a few corns but mostly boids. So kinda hard to make that claim. Plus, I know of a few other people who are members there who I highly doubt anybody would refer to as an "elitist" to their face.

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WELL Chris I'll tell you what actually started it.

I acquired chat logs. And in them was some pretty disgusting stuff you guys had been saying about me. I took it upon myself to confront those people individually. Of which one was Carlos. And of course nobody crosses him and supposedly gets away with it. So I'm banned.

Then I join the forum to see what its all about - I enjoyed the small amount of information I read and pictures I saw. I was not rude or toll-ish. I did not join to cause any sort of trouble and honestly didn't think my presence would be so badly received... Really thats something that should be ignored and got over as you put it. I would have kept quiet, changed my user name or some other BS If I was there to cause trouble (Just as you said).

I'm more than happy to stay at this little humble abode - its far less frigid.

My $.02, like it or not.
I have been a member of this forums for a while, not from the start but for over 2 years. I have been here longer then some of the members you consider "the greats" which just proves my point. I feel that this forums has a VERY diffrent feel from when i joined. When i started the i would say that most users here were <30 years old. When i came here i was really too young and immature and i clashed with some members. It seems that now the majority of them members are younger and are from a different generation. I think that the thread quality has gone down and so has formalness.I think that it is just that with all the young members we speak different and just act different and are not as formal and so the majority of threads have changed in what they are about and it seems that we are lazier now. I am not calling everyone here lazy, but i think the spelling errors are a lot more common now then when i started.

And well If you are offended that In Said that most members are just a bunch of kids and that is why this place feels odd now that is too bad ( notice i am 14)


- Chris Kuehl

jazzgeek said:

This thread will morph into an annoying, contentious thread. :grin01:

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

jazzgeek said:

As we continue to cite our links for what personally constitutes an "annoying thread", and as we continue to request said links for "proof" of the contention that's been going on as of late, guess what happens?

This thread will morph into an annoying, contentious thread. :grin01:


By the way, I'm a huge fan of irony. :cheers:


regards,
jazz

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Have I ever told you that I love your sense of humor?

zwyatt said:

Whether or not that was off the top of your head or it actually took you 50 minutes to compose...I do not know. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

I give you a pat on the back for actually completing the task. However, it's hardly necessary that I point out that you yourself say that most of your citations were cases where the inflammatory responses were received some what deservingly. Not to mention that several of them were the result of the same incendiary individual (jdizzy/pcs), so I can hardly count them as isolated incidences.

Still, I see your point and can partially understand your concern regarding the escalation of the questionable comments. The whole thing is still just thin ice for me.

And feel free to call me Zach, if you're inclined to do so

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I'm at work. I didn't "compose" it, I just didn't have time to post . Thanks for the benefit of the doubt, though ...

And I fully recognize that alot of the inflammation was directly resultant of poor topic taste, and bad attitudes to begin with.

However, I simply think that topics that are deserving of some bashing lead other people, intentionally or not, to feel that this sort of behavior is acceptable. And in some cases, TaraRose for example, it is utterly unwarranted.

I try hard to ignore the "silliness" that happens. Sometimes I am successful, sometimes I am not. This topic, as jazzgeek kindly pointed out, is a good example of a thread that has the tremendous potential to turn ugly. Luckily, most of the people participating in it have had the decency to remain respectful of others' opinions.

My concern is not whether the negativity is becoming overwhelming. My concern is with the precedents it can set for members who are not quite as sophisticated in "netiquette", or who may not possess the self-control of other members. Examples like the "TaraRose Incident" are in very poor taste, IMO. That situation escalated FAR beyond any reasonable sense of "duty" in protecting those snakes, and turned very quickly into a nasty, insulting, "virtual raping" of that poor girl's integrity, and called into question her worth as a snake owner, which I feel was completely uncalled for. I truly believe that had it not been for the "deserved" bashing I mentioned, folks would not have been so quick and "care-free" in their attacks against her. The precedent was set that this sort of behavior was acceptable, and, IMO...it isn't.

Anyhow...that's just my opinion. But who the heck am I??

ArpeggioAngel said:

Have I ever told you that I love your sense of humor?

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Hey, JOE!!!!! LOOK OVER THERE!!!!! Halley's Comet!!!!!

:wavey:


< ahem > You were saying? :sidestep:

regards,
jazz

Tula_Montage said:

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45422&highlight=tararose

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Tula, actually that one seemed to remain civil, while some of her other ones did not. But the fuss that I remember seeing circled around the fact that she had what she was told was a male and female in the same tank and they were approaching breeding age.

I've been in snakes for five years, although I only felt the need for companionship from other snake owners when our first snake died and a search brought me here. Like others, I'm still searching old threads and reading all of them... including one the other night that was 49 pages long! That one wiped me out.

I can understand how some of the threads get old for members who have been here years. I mean when you look at a page and see the same question, worded just a little different, three or four or five times on the same page, you wonder why folks just don't read for awhile first.

Thanks to the corruption of the pet-hobbyists on here, like Dean and Lore, I'm finding myself in that camp also. Going out and seeking what I need to start breeding in a few years. I could find myself a breeding age female for my male, but I would prefer to give myself the time to really understand all the in and outs and pitfalls of the breeding business.

It's a lot more than just putting a male and female together and letting the chips fall where they may. I will always be here in one way or another, but I also look for those sites with folks that I can learn from.


Tula, I can relate. I remember getting banned from a yahoo group that I had been on for years, never caused a single problem, because the owner of it joined a list that I was a moderator on and called into question the professionalism of the actual owner of my list. I rebuked her for it and she banned me from her list. Said when I proved to her that I could be nice, she would think about letting me back in her group. I told her what she could do with her group I was a good girl and resisted banning her from my group, but she was put on moderation.

tyflier said:

Anyhow...that's just my opinion. But who the heck am I??

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A guy who gets the ubiquitous "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tyflier again."

regards,
jazz

Elle, grow up.

I give kudos to that other site for doing what this site cannot, making an honest to goodness attempt at keeping out the trouble makers. Which sadly has become the sad part of this forum that's caused the loss of the homey feel I once had.

So what if people talk about you? It's not the end of the world. I don't care if people talk about me when I'm not around. I just hope whatever they say is good. Those people have left this site, what they do and who they talk to about what is their business. Anything else is hear-say and is a moot point. Welcome to humanity, everyone gossips about other people, its what humans do.

You don't have a right to be everywhere you desire, especially when you don't own it. You have no justification to join places only to cause an uproar, to do so is illegal in many locations in fact. The administration of another site preempted any future problems, that's their right to do so.

You have this site, enjoy it. It's yours, spam it with inane posts. Be happy with that. Stop making a mountain out of an ant hill (its not even a mole hill), because that's what it truly is.

The only thing you're actually accomplishing is giving out free advertising fliers to that other forum, considering I've never even heard it mentioned over here before. But thanks for the name and link...I'll go check it out.

Shroud of Darkness said:

The only thing you're actually accomplishing is giving out free advertising fliers to that other forum, considering I've never even heard it mentioned over here before. But thanks for the name and link...I'll go check it out.

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Well yes that is the idea...

jazzgeek said:

As we continue to cite our links for what personally constitutes an "annoying thread", and as we continue to request said links for "proof" of the contention that's been going on as of late, guess what happens?

This thread will morph into an annoying, contentious thread.


By the way, I'm a huge fan of irony.


regards,
jazz

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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

SO FUNNY! Tears, I tell you, tears. I will reply here because I do not bemoan the contentiousness of this forum. Contentiousness doesn't really bother me. I really enjoy a good argument.

But I really don't enjoy repeated arguments about whether it's best or not best to cohabitate. And, like Dean (and many others), I am really tired of the "Howlongaftermysnakeeatsshoulditpoop" threads and the follow-up "HowlongaftermysnakepoopsshouldIfeedit" threads. Everyone was once a newbie. I still consider myself one, really. But some of us newbies didn't repeatedly ask inane questions, and didn't argue with the answers we got if we did. I asked one once, but I sure didn't argue with what more experienced, articulate board members told me. And then I decided to be a little more cautious with my question-asking, so I didn't ask another inane question. Fact of the matter is, some questions are simply dumb. Some people like to say that the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked, but that's not a philosophy I share. My philosophy is: shut your friggin' mouth for a while and listen to what other people have to say and you'll soon find out what is an inane question and what isn't, because some other idiot will have asked the dumb questions for you if you just wait a little while, and then you don't have to look dumb, even though you were at first.

Now this complaint would have been solved by having a moderator who would handle newbie questions and float them to the board only after the questions were checked for inanity (is that a word?). I believe that suggestion was made, and I believe it was rejected. And so now we have a situation where lots of other people were sick and tired of a lot of things (I really don't know what, because I didn't follow it.), but the answer they got was that nothing would change. So they effected change on their own.

Did I miss them when they left? Yeah. Were they elitist a$$holes for leaving and going somewhere else? No. That's their right. It's not elitist any more than it is elitist for me to have a party at my house with all of my anthropology grad. student friends and not invite my next-door neighbors. No one has a right to come into my house without an invitation, and it doesn't make me a bad person not to invite everyone. And it doesn't make me a bad person to set rules and ask people who don't follow them to leave, either. It's my house. If you want no rules, no moderation, go to the playground, or build your own house. If you want to go to someone else's house, you have to play by their rules, and even then, it's their choice whether or not they let you in the door.

I share Joe's sentiment about the pros and cons of this site. There are many pros, but serious conversation isn't among them anymore. And that's fine. I come here every day for mbdorfer's pics and will continue to do so!

CaptBogart said:

I'm for once finding it hard to write a decent reply. I've already deleted and started over a couple times... This, for me, is a fun site. I don't really get involved in the basic, repetitive, threads anymore because after awhile I figured out that most people hear what they want to hear and are hoping at least someone will agree with their views for self validation. I rather like the photo gallery, and in the Genetics forum I still stumble across old threads with valuable info I didn't know. I've actually found some where a now common morph was "discovered", (quite entertaining reading). If a thread shows lots of replies I have to check it out... like driving slow past an accident out of morbid curiosity. :grin01: For serious conversation though, I have to go elsewhere, and that's just the facts. I lose interest having to wade through the off topic rants, hijacking, and petty bickering, to the point it's more irritating than helpful. As far as gleaning useful information for a pet keeper, it's time well spent reading repetitive posts...

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regards,
jazz

common sense.........

If you like a site, post there..............if one for some reason doesn't "float your boat", leave. :shrugs:

Galen

Shroud of Darkness said:

Elle, grow up.

I give kudos to that other site for doing what this site cannot, making an honest to goodness attempt at keeping out the trouble makers. Which sadly has become the sad part of this forum that's caused the loss of the homey feel I once had.

So what if people talk about you? It's not the end of the world. I don't care if people talk about me when I'm not around. I just hope whatever they say is good. Those people have left this site, what they do and who they talk to about what is their business. Anything else is hear-say and is a moot point. Welcome to humanity, everyone gossips about other people, its what humans do.

You don't have a right to be everywhere you desire, especially when you don't own it. You have no justification to join places only to cause an uproar, to do so is illegal in many locations in fact. The administration of another site preempted any future problems, that's their right to do so.

You have this site, enjoy it. It's yours, spam it with inane posts. Be happy with that. Stop making a mountain out of an ant hill (its not even a mole hill), because that's what it truly is.

The only thing you're actually accomplishing is giving out free advertising fliers to that other forum, considering I've never even heard it mentioned over here before. But thanks for the name and link...I'll go check it out.

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Sigh. Now I just have to work on being less verbose so that I don't appear repetitive. I really WAS writing my post at the same time, not after, I promise!

gwb8568 said:

If you like a site, post there..............if one for some reason doesn't "float your boat", leave. :shrugs:

Galen

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Simple but true...