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Copperhead in the barn.........How do we handle this??!!?

I happen to like air conditioning and indoor plumbing and driving and watching movies and medical treatment and buying my clothes instead of killing a deer for leather.

Do you enjoy these conveniences? Or do you not own a car, or a house, or eat at restaurants? Do you go to the super market for milk and soda and cookies?

I think the environment is doing just fine to sustain life. I don't see anything that is threatening life as we know it...
 
snakemaster24 said:
I have something for you to ponder. Dogs. Dogs are one of the leading causes of animal related injuries, yet we allow them in our homes. We allow them to play with our children. We allow them to sit next to us while we eat and sleep. Yet we say snakes are horrible for being in our barns eating our pests.......pitiful if you ask me.
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I have snakes in my home.

I wouldn't have a dangerous dog in my home any more than I would allow a Copperhead to live in my yard with my kids playing.

A bite from a dog gives you stitches. A bite from a venemous snake gives you much, much worse.

People die from dog attacks. And you know what? I support the killing of those dogs. I support the killing of any dog that has even attacked someone if the person was just walking down the street minding their own business.
 
knox said:
I have snakes in my home.

I wouldn't have a dangerous dog in my home any more than I would allow a Copperhead to live in my yard with my kids playing.

A bite from a dog gives you stitches. A bite from a venemous snake gives you much, much worse.

People die from dog attacks. And you know what? I support the killing of those dogs. I support the killing of any dog that has even attacked someone if the person was just walking down the street minding their own business.
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But the snake hasn't hurt anyone yet either. The snake is sitting in the yard not bothering anything. If the snake bites a person kill it and take it to the hospital to aid in treatment. But not before.
 
What about the hornet nest in the tree outside someone's door? Do you believe they should not be exterminated?
 
snakemaster24 said:
As long as they are not bothering anything
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Then you and I certainly have different world views. The potential is there for injury and death for anyone who walks by.

I would erradicate them in the blink of an eye.

And again, I make no apologies.

What about roaches in your home? Do you allow them free reign in your cupboard and on your counters? They probably aren't "bothering" anyone, either - just trying to survive.

I lay poison to make sure they don't enter my home and infect my food.
 
Yes, I would kill roaches. They spread disease and can't help but harm wherever they go. But a snake is just minding its own without hurting others unless cornered.
 
"Unless Cornered".

Or how about Spooked unintentionally by a 4 year old girl?

The potential is there in both animals.
 
Just for everyones information snakemaster24 is only sixteen and has little experience with life or responsibilities. His views will change as he matures.
 
dickdeuel said:
Just for everyones information snakemaster24 is only sixteen and has little experience with life or responsibilities. His views will change as he matures.
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Agree. Perspectives can be narrow when all sides and possiblilites are not entertained.

Listen, I love animals as much as the next guy. But I am not going to leave a hornet nest in my yard to sting me a hundred times when I am mowing my yard any more than a venemous animal.

The first time this kid gets stung by a swarm of bees, bitten by a black widow, or tagged by a "hot", his perspective will change.
 
snakemaster24 said:
Because humans have ruined the earth? Look around yourself. Buildings, cars, pollution. Sure its our way of life but is it good for nature? If we should be welcome to kill animals that threaten us, why shouldn't snakes be allowed to defend themselves?
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Well, if you find humans so awful, you have plenty of options available.

knox said:
Agree. Perspectives can be narrow when all sides and possiblilites are not entertained.

Listen, I love animals as much as the next guy. But I am not going to leave a hornet nest in my yard to sting me a hundred times when I am mowing my yard any more than a venemous animal.

The first time this kid gets stung by a swarm of bees, bitten by a black widow, or tagged by a "hot", his perspective will change.
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Hopefully, it won't be his last time.
 
knox said:
"Unless Cornered".

Or how about Spooked unintentionally by a 4 year old girl?

The potential is there in both animals.
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But the snake is easily removed and can be removed without issue.

dickdeuel said:
Just for everyones information snakemaster24 is only sixteen and has little experience with life or responsibilities. His views will change as he matures.
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You got me! I'm 16! No responsibities at all. I don't pay for and take care of my own collection of snakes. I don't have the responsibility of watching a 6 year old. I also don't have the responsibility to do anything. I'm just a dumb kid:nope:
 
knox said:
Agree. Perspectives can be narrow when all sides and possiblilites are not entertained.

Listen, I love animals as much as the next guy. But I am not going to leave a hornet nest in my yard to sting me a hundred times when I am mowing my yard any more than a venemous animal.

The first time this kid gets stung by a swarm of bees, bitten by a black widow, or tagged by a "hot", his perspective will change.
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I have been stung by a nest of yellow jackets, bitten by spiders ( I am picking up a tarantula next weekend!) and as far as snakes go nothing is ever going to turn me away from snakes!
 
The snake can NOT be easily moved by someone who has no experience in moving venemous animals.

Chances are FAR greater that someone will get bitten by TRYING to move the snake than if they kill it or just leave it alone.

And leaving it alone is NOT an option when kids are around.
 
You have been stung by a swarm of yellow jackets and you would STILL leave the nest alive if it was outside your front door?

Sorry, but that just makes no sense to me.
 
I find it hard to believe you have been bitten or stung by anything that hospitalized you.

I have no personal beef with you. It is just that your logic is naive at such a young age.
 
Lennycorn said:
Wouldn't the chances of getting bit be about the same??
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Not the way I hold tools. I don't know how other people hold their garden tools but I can stand at the end of a push broom and sweep or push with the entire length of the handle between myself and the snake. In order to dispatch it with a hoe I need to hold the handle closer in to about halfway point to have any leverage, thus cutting the distance between myself and the snake by half as compared to the broom. If I wanted to use a shovel, I would pretty much have to stand right by the snake's head.
 
Look I understand that you don't understand my logic. But I am the kind of person that is very intouch with animals and nature. Not creepy tree hugger type but more like I think they have just as much right here as we do. We came after them and therefore we should respect that. We need to learn a copperhead is here to help us and relocation should be an option. Don't punish the animal for the good it does, praise it. Allow it to live its life, not allow more pest to prosper.
 
snakemaster24 said:
Look I understand that you don't understand my logic. But I am the kind of person that is very intouch with animals and nature. Not creepy tree hugger type but more like I think they have just as much right here as we do. We came after them and therefore we should respect that. We need to learn a copperhead is here to help us and relocation should be an option. Don't punish the animal for the good it does, praise it. Allow it to live its life, not allow more pest to prosper.
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Very noble, but you don't have kids.... Do you...
 
I think people have lost track of the original posters thread. It seems that nobody is really reading posts before they reply.

The copperhead was found among hay bales inside a barn, and I'm sure there were several inches of loose hay on the floor. How long do you think it takes for a snake to disappear in that stuff! Your not going to do any sweeping with a broom or the snake is gone. If you have a shovel close enough you will kill it. If your the father of young girl you would probably stomp it to death without thinking about it.
 
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