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WOOOT BARRACK OBAMA

ghosthousecorns said:
Well, it is over and like him or not he is our new pres. I had hoped those who voted against him could be as gracious about the defeat as McCain was in his concession speech, but I guess that is asking too much.
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Congratulations to Mr Obama. My thoughts and prayers will be with you over the next 4 years that you will make decisions that will be in the best interest of the American people.

How's that?



HanneysCorn said:
Internationally, the U.S. has taken a huge step towards gaining more respect and assuring the world that democracy does work. Our neighbours to the south have chosen a new leader; there are many folk in peace loving nations around the world that will now sleep much better at night knowing we won't be called upon to engage ourselves in combat to support our ally simply to satisfy the 'whims' of self serving politicians south of the border.
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Hopefully our 'friends' to the middle east will see it the same way.
 
Nova C mentioned..

People like to talk a big game, but has anyone ever actually left the country solely because their political party didn't win an election
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Indirectly yes.. I was in Canada before the election of 2004 .. If John Kerry would have been elected, I was going to surrender my Green Card and find a way to move the last two members ( who are US Citizens ) up to Canada.. Fortunantly for my family, Bush won the election in 2004, although these last few years GWB has been nothing short of lack lustre.

Obama does not worry me much... I just hope he learned some lessons from JFK and Ronald Regan, as I fear we are going to have a test within the next year.. I hope I am wrong, but it seems likely we are going to have to be on the defense..

Please feel free to reach out and bash the crap out what I had to say.. As someone has pointed out in the past, my ability to articulate myself in words, is painfully weak, its a good thing I only have a Gr 9 education and some Trades school, or I might have taken that as a slap in the face insult when it was brought to my attention...

Oh well, what will be will be..

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
After Action Review..

Does anyone think McCain would have done much better if he had worked harder at throwing Bush under the bus so to speak? I feel bad (and that's not false actually) about the state of the Republican party after Bush.. I know there's a good chance that Republicans would've been angry about that if he had, but I think he really let Obama have his way with him on tying him to Bush.. And I actually don't see McCain that way at all.
I saw Steve Forbes talking about the party on the Daily show and he said something that struck me.. The Republican party has been "more into the patronage than the principles" lately.. I will admit that I think a true conservative bashing some of Bush's spending would have done much better this time.
 
AAR.... Your true grunt tom e..

What was the possible out come if Obama had Billary running with him?

What would the outcome have been if Sarah was not running with McCain?

Are we dealing with Demicans and Republicrats?

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
TandJ said:
AAR.... Your true grunt tom e..

What was the possible out come if Obama had Billary running with him?

What would the outcome have been if Sarah was not running with McCain?

Are we dealing with Demicans and Republicrats?

Regards.. Tim of T and J
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These are just my opinions..

1. I think Obama would've had a harder sell to those undecided voters with Hillary in tow. The Clintons are great with most Dems, but he was already going to have them IMO.

2. I think Palin was a bad choice, 'you betcha.' But this election feels like a referendum against Bush most of all. Even what people didn't like about Sarah-cuda was all the stuff that smacked of George W Bush.

3. Yeah in a way. The more evenly divided the country is, the more they have to appeal to those few in betweens.
 
TandJ said:
Indirectly yes.. I was in Canada before the election of 2004 .. If John Kerry would have been elected, I was going to surrender my Green Card and find a way to move the last two members ( who are US Citizens ) up to Canada.. Fortunantly for my family, Bush won the election in 2004, although these last few years GWB has been nothing short of lack lustre.

Obama does not worry me much... I just hope he learned some lessons from JFK and Ronald Regan, as I fear we are going to have a test within the next year.. I hope I am wrong, but it seems likely we are going to have to be on the defense...
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I don't know what you're talking about... I think that was well said. :)
 
TandJ said:
Are we dealing with Demicans and Republicrats?

Regards.. Tim of T and J
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Now that's a great question. We have Republicans that espouse Democratic ideals and vice versa, left and right, extremist and moderate leaning dems and publicans...it's getting hard to tell these two creatures apart. There is one thing that both parties stand firmly together on though...Keeping it just the two parties. It's practically impossible for a third party to make any headway into politics in this country. In this great capitalist society I can go to the grocery store and exercise my democratic right to pick from 52 different kinds of cereal or 6 different flavors of frosted shredded wheat squares, but how many political parties are there? TWO?, just the two?
Not only do the parties need to split ( at least once each) so we can get a better idea where they are ( their platform) on most of the countries pressing issues, but they need to make it accessible for other parties to partake in the politics. IMHO
 
Congratulation's on your new president elect, i honestly never thought it would happen, that you as a country would have the courage to step into the unknown and risk a lot for a better america and hence a better world, but you have and you have my admiration, as mrs nixon cooper, a woman whose birth was at a time where slavery was still fresh and in a lot of ways alive in american society, when policitians broke promises even before the ink was dry said "After a while, we will all be one. That's what I look forward to."

The world looks on and we hope for better times.

again congratulations

rgds
Edward
 
loxocemus said:
Congratulation's on your new president elect, i honestly never thought it would happen, that you as a country would have the courage to step into the unknown and risk a lot for a better america and hence a better world, but you have and you have my admiration, as mrs nixon cooper, a woman whose birth was at a time where slavery was still fresh and in a lot of ways alive in american society, when policitians broke promises even before the ink was dry said "After a while, we will all be one. That's what I look forward to."

The world looks on and we hope for better times.

again congratulations

rgds
Edward
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thx man thats some real sht u put out:: excuse my language
 
I don't know what you're talking about... I think that was well said. :)
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I can explain a little.. I am an Ex Canadian Pat.. My youngest, is mine direct blood hench can qaulify without the hoops to jump through for Canadian Citizenship.. I had a few issues in 2004 that caused me to return to Canada for a few monthes, and whilist there I paid some attention to the elections going on in the US.. I am not a US Citizen as I on ly hold a green Card, making me a legal Registered Alien..

I personally hope Obama can have a bit of a mean streak in him where he is not going to use just diplomatic attepmts if there is a strike on US soil or US targets.. JFK stood up to Kruschev ( Sp? ) adverting the Cuban Missle Crisis and well Mr Regan seen the releash of the prisoners with the Middle East Hostage standoff.. Hopefully there lays a tiger withen the peaceful man..

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
RobbiesCornField said:
It's definitely going to be an interesting 4 years. Unfortunately for me, I didn't like EITHER candidate, so for me, it was choose between the lesser of the two evils... and for me, that happened to be Obama.
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I realize this is a bit late. But I agree with Robbie. He truly was the lesser of 2 evils for me. I hope he proves to me that I made the right decision. Afterall this is the FIRST time in all my voting years I chose to vote democrat. I do hope I wasn't wrong.
 
chemical69 said:
whoever badmouthed obama your wrong... he will be a good president, and I believe he will make a change but only time will tell :cheers:
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Nice opinion. I've got my own, I think we are screwed. Most people hate the President by the end of his reign, I dont doubt that will happen again. But then again, quite a few people hate him already. Lucky dog, he doesnt have to worry too much about half of America hating him later on.
 
Dachirsuhaco said:
Lucky dog, he doesnt have to worry too much about half of America hating him later on.
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Actually less than half. The president elect actually had more than half of the population vote for him,unlike our current president that although half of the voters did NOT vote for him, he slid by through the electoral college.
 
Dachirsuhaco said:
Nice opinion. I've got my own, I think we are screwed. Most people hate the President by the end of his reign, I dont doubt that will happen again. But then again, quite a few people hate him already. Lucky dog, he doesnt have to worry too much about half of America hating him later on.
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I WOULD tend to agree with you... however, with the media being behind him and supporting his every move, there's really no telling with this one...
 
Dachirsuhaco said:
Nice opinion. I've got my own, I think we are screwed. Most people hate the President by the end of his reign, I dont doubt that will happen again.
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Equally nice opinion.

Me, I prefer to deal in facts, and not in a subjective phrase like "most people".

Here's a table of "End of Presidency Approval Ratings" (source: ABC News), taken at the end of their respective "terms" (only monarchs have a "reign").

Bill Clinton (2001) 65%
Ronald Reagan (1989) 64
Dwight Eisenhower (1961) 59
John F. Kennedy (1963) 63
George H.W. Bush (1993) 56
Gerald Ford (1977) 53
Lyndon Johnson (1969) 49
Jimmy Carter (1981) 34
Richard Nixon (1974) 24

Unless you've been deprived of access of all media for the past four years, I think you already know where George W. Bush will be placed in this list.

But then again, quite a few people hate him already.
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Evidently, not enough to have elected someone else...and that's just by going with the popular vote, which is NOT how the POTUS is put into office.

If you want to go by electoral vote, which is how a President IS Constitutionally placed into office, here's a fun fact:

Take the two MOST populous states (and thus, the ones with the most electoral votes), California and New York. Consistently "blue" states, right? They ALWAYS vote for the Democratic candidate. CA has 55 electoral votes; NY has 31. Combined, that's 86 electoral votes, almost one-third of the 270 needed to elect a POTUS.

Now, take those 86 electoral votes from those two states, and give them to McCain. That's right, "spot" McCain an instant 86-0 lead.

And guess what? Obama, without his two largest states, would still have won the election.

Lucky dog, he doesnt have to worry too much about half of America hating him later on.
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As Dachirsuhaco said, time will tell.


Dale
 
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