Goldust motley x butter motley = ?

That is better....

My first hunch is that you have 'A' anerythrism in the mix. But if this were an ultramel caramel anerythristic, I would have expected the eyes to have a more ruby look to them. We've seen ultramel caramels (GoldDusts) and ultramel anerythristics, but as far as I know, no one has actually seen what a combo of those genes together would look like.

So this is really just a wild guess based on some basic assumptions.

I vote your idea of testing with a blizzard (not a pewter or a plain amel).

Amels and Ultramels are distinguishable so if he is what he is supposed to be you get 50% amels and 50% ultras. Being a blizzard won't interfere with this. If there are no amels, or no ultras, then you know something is amiss (assuming you get a decent clutch size). If blizzard hatchlings, or ultramel charcoal hatchlings (whatever they look like), appear then you know he is a charcoal.

Its a good idea .

is this the one i saw at the show Toyah? if so, i went for goldust motley quite quick without knowing what it was.. just looked a lot darker and with an unusual pattern too.

Nice Goldust...

People seem to think Ultramel influneced and based animals should have a standard look.. They don't, and contrast/colouration can be very dramatic, from a nice bright hypo to an unexpected dark over tone; IE Ultramel Anery's can be mistaken for Coral Ghosts, or not even look like a ghost... Ultramels can look hypo like all the way to something similair to a "normal" look.. It can vary dramatically...

Of course to some people out there they think I have hit my head to many times..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

Rich Z said:

That is better....

My first hunch is that you have 'A' anerythrism in the mix. But if this were an ultramel caramel anerythristic, I would have expected the eyes to have a more ruby look to them. We've seen ultramel caramels (GoldDusts) and ultramel anerythristics, but as far as I know, no one has actually seen what a combo of those genes together would look like.

So this is really just a wild guess based on some basic assumptions.

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I thought that anery masks caramel, and I wouldn't think the addition of any other gene would change that. :shrugs:

With the new pic (MUCH better for identification), I would say it is a dark golddust motley. The color just doesn't seem right to me for it to be a caramel motley, but as I said earlier, lets give it a few more sheds and a breeding trial with a butter motley to be absolutely positive.

goldust motley

They vary alot,thats why I say you cant pick out the ultras in of a group of both.The thing is all morphs vary alot.

Golddust Motley

Thanks for the extra picture, and after seeing it, I will stay with my original thought that the snake is probably a dark golddust motley. I sure love that pattern on your snake; if possible, I would like to see another pic that shows that pattern off a little better. Also, I would be curious to know if the 2 dark animals in your clutch are both males or both females and the sex of the other golddust mots in the clutch, ... it might be interesting.

In the 2 pics below, these are all baby golddust (from a ultra caramel mot bred to a butter mot) after their first shed, and if you look at the snake in the bottom left corner on the second pic, you can see how it looks exactly like a caramel mot. The darker one in the first pic looks alot like a caramel mot, too. Thanks, Brad Lichtenhan

WOW! I LOVE the look of those dark golddust motleys! If only they would stay that color....

Susan said:

I'm betting it's a caramel motley from retained sperm. Give it another shed or two to lighten up and yellow up a bit.

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I agree.
I think it is sperm retention.