Crotalus viridis helleri

Tim, I gotta ask more... is it an OCD type thing or do you sometimes leave it out (and I've missed it)? Also, is that an albino pacman frog in yer avatar?

Not OCD.. *LOL* My mind wanders to much for OCD.. *lol* More like ADD.. Sometimes Chip, when I am cranky, my sign off changes a bit, but not very often ..Yes, you guessed the eye on my Avatar.. We only have two wittle froggies at this point...

Chris mentioned..

That's Myke Clarkson's thumb. I'm pretty sure it's the same guy that Tim is referring to, as he lives in SoCal, and, as far as I know, is the only known and documented survivor of a Stiletto bite. His was really the first case of a bite with any sort of medical record of the reaction. Nasty...

Yippers, thats Mr Clarksons thumb.. If you do some looking around, Myke is pretty fortunante.. The up side of this event, is that he provided a lot of information for the Dr's here concerning the type of snake bite.. I told Myke a few weeks before he got tagged he was crazy to keep those kind of hots, since the antivenom had to be pratically non existant here in Cali.. I run into Myke three to four times a year, and occasionally give him a call to BS over nothing really, and see how things are going.. I really need to get over to his place to get some pictures of his hot collection..

However, in South Africa, there seems to have been a few people here and there that get bite by them little monsters and survive.. Theyu get their name Stilletto from the way they invenomate their prey..

I have no intrest in joining the bite club, although one day I might involentarily join it.. Fascinating creatures, but I don't want one as a "pet".. Although I have considered Copperheads, but that will have to wait until my youngest girl is out of the house..

Sorry, Tim, I tried to edit and re posted. Did you keep that specimen? I'm assuming no, since you mentioned not wanting one as a "pet." I have three timbers I "kept" this year, a black phase, a yellow, and a really beautiful baby that I'm 90% sure will turn dark. Took pictures of each but my reader/writer thing won't read my camera card. Called a buddy tonight to borrow his camera for a day, will post 'em.

My plans are to release them where I caught them next year, but they are the prettiest ones (to me) I've run across. I've not sexed them, but since I don't intend to sell or breed, guess it doesn't matter. Should have some photos up in a day or two. It still like you guy's rattlers better than my area's!

Black timber (URL for the image size):
http://tinypic.com/r/ve55wn/4
Yellow (this one is 5 feet+):
http://tinypic.com/r/21mz2mq/4
Baby found at the same property:
http://tinypic.com/r/55qx09/4

^^^That's gonna grow up to be a pretty snake. I'm guessing dark, and still patterned.

Nope, I have minors, I don;t intend on becoming one of those parents or people that gets accused of being stupid for keeping killer reptiles of a different sort !

Regards... Tim of T and J