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Motley Tessera vs. Stripe Tessera

Walter Smith

Walter Smith

CRAZY BOUT' CORNS !!
Ok peeps, need a little help here. I posted pics. of 2 Tessera Motleys in the photo gallery asking for peoples opinion on what they thought they were and got what I thought I would, alot of different answers, a couple being Tessera Stripe, which was what I was looking for and here is why.

I bred a Caramel het Motley X Tessera het Motley last season. At the time, I didn't know the Caramel was het Motley until the clutch hatched, getting patterns of Blotched, Motley, Tessera, and Motley Tesseras.....(one of the Motleys, a Tessera and both Tessera Motleys pictured from the clutch).

Here is MY confusion, I've seen quite a few Tesseras being advertised (and posted in pubic AND personal photo galleries) that look IDENTICAL to these (pics. 3 & 4) as STRIPED Tesseras, which I believe are being mis-identified.

I know these I have are Motley Tesseras simply because they have Motley siblings and no stiped sibs, but I have also never produced STRIPED Tesseras.

I'm wondering if there has been a solid conclusion on how to clearly identify a Motley Tessera from a Striped Tessera ??

ALL info (and pics.) would be greatly appreciated !!

Thanks, Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 

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It seems that tessera motleys, tessera motley stripeds and tessera stripeds can really be close to each other.
I know my tessera is het for striped since this year coz I bred him to females which have motley or striped.
From the Striped pairings I only got stripeds and the tessera stripeds, no motleys. From the motleys with the tessera I got Tessera motley stripeds also with normal looking motleys (we know striped is often be masked by the dominant motley).
So the tesseras from the striped * tessera het striped have to be striped and not motley striped.
I have made fresh pics as you maybe have seen and If you like I will photograph some more animals tomorrow and post them here.

Here are the three I pictured today.
The first two are from the pairing Tessera het Amel, Anery, Hypo STRIPED * Auratum Striped het Anery (100000% no motley involved)

The Anery Tessera MOTLEY*Striped is from the same Tessera paired with a Golddust Motley het Anery (I am sure its only motley coz last year she was paired with a golddust diffused het motley and there were only motleys nothing which seems to have the striped gen)
 

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Ah I forgot i also have tessera motley stripeds which looks like yours on the other PC. Maybe I can post them later for you.
Tomorrow I can add another Toffee Tessera striped, Tessera Striped, Amel Tessera Motley Striped and a Auratum Tessera Striped if you like.
 
The_Saiyajin said:
Ah I forgot i also have tessera motley stripeds which looks like yours on the other PC. Maybe I can post them later for you.
Tomorrow I can add another Toffee Tessera striped, Tessera Striped, Amel Tessera Motley Striped and a Auratum Tessera Striped if you like.
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Thanks so much for the pics. and info and YES I would like for you to post more.

Just to add, again my confusion: Your first pic & My last pic. look IDENTICAL as far as pattern (to me), yet yours as you mentioned IS a Striped Tessera (100000% no motley involved) and mine has no stripe involved, yet look the same :shrugs:

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
Mate thats not 100% right.
I saw your pics and know immidetaly that there is tessera and motley, I thought motley striped and I tell you why. Of course its only from what I have bred and seen so far.
Your tessera motley pic one is nearly perfect striped but the sidestripeds and the damn how to write.....(i am only german sorry :D ) before the backstriping vanishes and the sidestriping starts the vanishing color of the striped is not 100% clean. In all tessera stripeds I have seen, the vanishing color of this striped is clean and at motley they are not. I am really sorry for that terrible explanation.
I will try to see what pics I can find in some mins so please wait a bit. And tomorrow there will also be more.
 
I would like to also add to everyone. I'm starting this thread in hopes to simply learn something. This is not about right or wrong, but about trying to figure out a way to clearly determine visually between Motley Tessera & Stripe Tessera seeing they seem to look the same..............when ya don't know, it does not hurt to ask !!

I just want this thread to become one that we all can learn something from...............well if you don't already know ;)

Thanks, Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
The_Saiyajin said:
Your tessera motley pic one is nearly perfect striped but the sidestripeds and the damn how to write.....(i am only german sorry :D )
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LOL.........that's ok. I was not talking about my pic. one, I was refering to my pic. two.............the last pic. in my begining post.

My last and your first pics. (to me) seem to be identical in pattern.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 

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but please dont missunderstand. As I said, I dont know myself lol. Its just the differences I see between tose to nearly same animals.
If its wrong or right, it cannot say easaly, because we all know the big range corns can have in a morhp. I never intended to be right and you are wrong, so please dont get the wrong idea :D

Its also a problem which bugs me and a lot more ppl here. BTW I have more pics. Just need to resize them.
 
Walter Smith said:
I would like to also add to everyone. I'm starting this thread in hopes to simply learn something. This is not about right or wrong, but about trying to figure out a way to clearly determine visually between Motley Tessera & Stripe Tessera seeing they seem to look the same..............when ya don't know, it does not hurt to ask !!

I just want this thread to become one that we all can learn something from...............well if you don't already know ;)

Thanks, Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
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The_Saiyajin said:
but please dont missunderstand. As I said, I dont know myself lol. Its just the differences I see between tose to nearly same animals.
If its wrong or right, it cannot say easaly, because we all know the big range corns can have in a morhp. I never intended to be right and you are wrong, so please dont get the wrong idea :D

Its also a problem which bugs me and a lot more ppl here. BTW I have more pics. Just need to resize them.
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Exactly what I posted already ;)

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
So here I have some old pics but well the pattern doesnt changed from the Pairing
Tessera het Amel Anery, Hypo Striped * Mandarin Motley het Caramel ( as far as I know there is no striped involved. After all striped came in kastanie really late lol)

1.1 Tessera Motley * Striped (one that looks like yours mate)
0.1 Amel Tessera Motley Striped
1.0 normal Motley
 

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The_Saiyajin said:
1.1 Tessera Motley * Striped (one that looks like yours mate)
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I agree that your (pic.1) looks like mine (pic.2) BUT not like mine (pic.3)

I think the comparison of yours and mine in the earlier post (post #7) look the same, which you mention yours IS a Stripe Tessera.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 

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and here are the pips from the Auratum striped pairing I havent shown yet and also a comparison pic of the amel tessera motley striped with the auratum tessera striped. And its nearly the same.....
 

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I think these two are really identical
and with this snake they nearly all look the same:
So we have

tessera motley
tessera motley *striped
tessera striped

wanna say that we are doomend now....LOL
 

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The_Saiyajin said:
and here are the pips from the Auratum striped pairing I havent shown yet and also a comparison pic of the amel tessera motley striped with the auratum tessera striped. And its nearly the same.....
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This is what I'm getting at "It's nealry the SAME"

What I would like to know/figure out if there is a difinitve way, to know exactly between the two ????

Because I think if we don't figure out a way, alot of Striped Tessera will end up being sold as Motley Tesseras and visa-versa..........if that has not happend already :shrugs:

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
The_Saiyajin said:
I think these two are really identical
and with this snake they nearly all look the same:
So we have

tessera motley
tessera motley *striped
tessera striped

wanna say that we are doomend now....LOL
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Walter Smith said:
This is what I'm getting at "It's nealry the SAME"

What I would like to know/figure out if there is a difinitve way, to know exactly between the two ????

Because I think if we don't figure out a way, alot of Striped Tessera will end up being sold as Motley Tesseras and visa-versa..........if that has not happend already :shrugs:

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
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LOL............I think I already have.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
Well mate seeing those three animals it gives me a pain but I think the only thing is that Striped tesseras are a little bit more "perfect" striped at all lines. I dont see any other difference.
And even this can vary a lot :(
 
What is your take on this one?? Sorry, he is in shed in the pic.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 

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I would say its a pure tessera striped from the looks

I also have an adult Tessera striped pic :)
 

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The_Saiyajin said:
I would say its a pure tessera striped from the looks

I also have an adult Tessera striped pic :)
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That's what I aquired it as and figured that seeing there is NO latteral striping this could be a way of determining the differnce, but I guess this is not the case.

Yours is very nice as well !!

I'm hoping some others have some input to help out on this matter??.....................anyone??

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
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