Purist Breeders

Originally Posted by Nanci

Usually people who have snakes traced back to WC specimens aren't going to have morphs, though.

If you're so into WC locality animals, you should check out Rosy Boas.

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Interesting information Nancy. Any idea why morphs are so hard to find with pedigrees back to the wild?

You're kind of asking us to do your homework for you carpe serpentis

Because most of the morphs weren't collected in the wild. This site has good histories of the origins of most morphs.

So take caramel for instance. ONE snake was in a pet shop in a tank with a bunch of other WC snakes. Rich Z buys it and breeds it in 1991. Can you imagine how many generations have passed since then? There was no registry back then to keep track of things.

Cinder. Some guy trades a gravid snake of Keys origin for a gecko in 1996. Rich breeds her, loses track of which males he used, eventually breeds her back to a son, and the first cinders are hatched. But it takes years to test them against other forms of hypo. Meanwhile, the hets are dispersed throughout a bunch of other lines.

(Shoot- I have to go work...)

Originally Posted by chris68

You're kind of asking us to do your homework for you carpe serpentis

Your right, and this homework if compiled somewhere already would save days as I've already been searching for months in all the wrong places I'm sure. Sometimes, the quickest way to find out information is simply to ask the the breeders themselves if they are willing to share information in a single place to make things easier to find for everyone. The very fact that this is looked at as homework... tells me these are not easy answers to find and if they are... sometimes pointing to where that information is compiled is easier than saying go look for the information.

If no breeder wishes to share the lineage of a corn snake morph in their collection on this thread that they can trace back to wild caught origins that is fine. I simply ask that those who do wish to share that information do so here on this thread. If you don't want to add any helpful information then by all means don't, but don't clutter up the thread either with go do your own homework. There are many buyers that would love to know this information and many may not know how easy it is for hybrids to infiltrate their collection. Education is always the key.

Again, thank you for adding something of substance to this thread Nancy.

Or thirty seconds on google...

Most everything about morph origins is on the Ratsnake Foundation site, or Kathy, Don, and Chuck and Connie's books. The rest can be rummaged for on the ACR. The ACR is the really the only place to browse pedigrees.

Who the heck is "Nancy"???

Okay, let me try to keep traffic down on here by clarifying what I am asking for.

If any breeder would like to share the lineage of any morphs they may have that they can personally trace back to the wild that would be appreciated. If you do not want to share this information that is fine as well. Please, refrain from posting if you don't want to share this information.

Again, thank you Nanci and Baroness for suppling some useful information.

You're not going to find many morphs that trace back. Once a critter is crossed into morphs, all heck breaks loose...

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