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The Cultivars (morphs)/Genetics Issues Discussions about genetics issues and/or the various cultivars for cornsnakes commercially available. |
How pure must a corn be to be truely pure?
05-15-2013, 04:53 PM
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#61
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I agree with BB.
She puts it in words beautifully!!!
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05-15-2013, 05:02 PM
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#62
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Originally Posted by hikisquid
Are intergrades considered "hybrids" in the pure/hybrid debate then?
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Debatable? LOL!
It's all crazy genetic labels given by humans anyway.
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05-15-2013, 05:08 PM
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#63
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Originally Posted by beautifullywild77
Wow, some people resort to kindergarten tactics when their argument has no beef.
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More like I am at work and anything other than quick replies do not fit into my schedule.
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05-15-2013, 05:11 PM
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#64
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Originally Posted by BloodyBaroness
Debatable? LOL!
It's all crazy genetic labels given by humans anyway.
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Haha I see. It depends on how picky they feel like being that day?
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05-15-2013, 05:12 PM
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#65
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Originally Posted by BloodyBaroness
likely as a lottery win
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You have to play to win.
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05-15-2013, 06:12 PM
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#66
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Originally Posted by hikisquid
Ooh, I learned something new!
I remember being on a camping trip as a teen and seeing a black ratsnake in the water, and then when hiking the next day I found a pretty cornsnake guarding a nest, always wondered if the rat was the daddy. XD
Are intergrades considered "hybrids" in the pure/hybrid debate then?
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A quote answered with a quote from page #1, post #5....
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Originally Posted by HerpsOfNM
Hybrid, in the terms of biological speciation, is roughly defined as 2 distinct species interbreeding.
This can be further defined as intra- and interspecific hybridization. Intraspecific deals with crosses between subspecies, with the field herping community calling these crosses intergrades. Interspecific details crosses within the same genus, but between different species, e.g., ultras and sunkissed animals.
Then there is intergeneric where hybridization occurs between 2 different species from a different genus, e.g., jungle corns.
Additional fun terms found within any college evolution class, within the portion ofclass that covers genetics and speciation:
Species (can be rather tough to define)
Allopatric speciation
Sympatric speciation
Niche
Reproductive barrier(s)
Your questions are, in my opinion, on par with a semester long lecture/discussion/argument of a course called evolution. Your suggestion of re-terming/defining hybrid, would big picture encompass what "scientists" do at the taxonomic level of sinking, elevating, lumping, or clumping various species and/or subspecies. Like the sinking of the intermontane ratsnake (Pantherophis emoryi intermontana), which IIRC is genetically isolated and the elevation of great plains ratsnake out of guttata and to full species status.
As commenters have sniped...this thread could go round and round and round. I'll need some reese's pieces, twizlers, and a large Mr.Pibb for my popcorn.
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05-15-2013, 06:20 PM
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#67
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Oh, thanks for that! I honestly didn't reread this thread when I went to post, so I totally forgot that it had been answered before.
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05-15-2013, 06:22 PM
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#68
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no worries...thought I'd just bring it to the current "front"
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05-15-2013, 06:30 PM
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#69
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Originally Posted by ChannyB
How about you show me evidence that it does not?
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That's like asking me to prove Aliens don't exist. That's easy. Ever seen one?
I've herped over area's in MD that have rat snakes and eastern Kings. Never seen a Rat/King cross. Seen lots of rats and kings tho. Been around lots of bodies of water where eastern garters and northern water snakes lived side by side. Never saw anything but eastern garters and northern waters. Not going to say under some extremely unusual circumstance it doesn't happen in the wild, but in the "pet community" there's nothing "natural" in anything that has to do with with creating crosses, or even keeping a w/c snake. We "create", whether it be a "habitat a snake can live in and thrive or a sinacalihondocorn hybrid
And I don't what ANY of this has to do with religion
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05-15-2013, 06:47 PM
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#70
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Originally Posted by ChannyB
Pretty sure you have to be a disgusting bastard for that to NOT hit a nerve.
How could you even begin to compare the two?
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This will NOT be tolerated here! I suggest all involved step back and breathe and then let things calm down.
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