Nanci
Alien Lover
Trump's speech after his welcome concert!!
He can't fix everything. Too much damage.
Nevertheless, I am hoping for eight good years!
My outlook has been so much better since the election - feels like the country has fundamentally changed direction for the better.
From a purely legal standpoint, the Cato institute had this to say:
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/trumps-immigration-ban-illegal
If this truly was about terrorism, then why hasn't he banned immigration from nations from which actual terrorists originated? Somalia is the only nation, and only a single terrorist came from there. Most of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, the rest from Egypt, and immigrants from neither are banned.
A significant amount of extremism that results in terrorism, Muslim or otherwise, is domestic. This action has nothing to do with terrorism and will do nothing to restrain it.
And immigration doesn't take away jobs from other people any more than having children does. The jobs market isn't zero sum. The more people there are, the more demand for products and services. As a Canadian, I'm happy for my country to remain free and open and not submit to fear and cowardice.
And regarding similarities to Nazism (Which is a form of Fascism, not that all Fascism is Nazism), it's perhaps subjective, but Trump has essentially declared a single religion unwelcome. Has this ever happened before in US history? At what point would you consider this unacceptable?
If Trump moves to remove citizenship from Muslims, as Hitler did with Jews, would you stand against him? Or perhaps removing gun ownership rights from Muslims? Considering his tact with using terrorism to justify this executive order, would you accept terrorism as an acceptable justification for curtailing rights of those who belong to a faith not government approved?
I don't know. And quite likely, neither do you. I am assuming that a guy who has run multiple businesses amassing quite the fortune just might be smarter than me and quite capable of engaging in affairs in a capable manner. That is even disregarding the fact that he has a slew of people to advise him that will certainly have an experience edge over Trump and able to provide him with advise that just might have pointed to the actions he took as being the best course of action. For now. There could very well be a PART 2, or more, but best to see how the first step works before progressing further.
So how about you? Have you gotten smarter since you were able to earn your first billion dollars with your uncanny and astute business acumen? And how about your own advisors? Are they capable and trustworthy in such foreign affairs to give you similar advice in similar situations?
So you are claiming that Islamic extremists have no intentions whatsoever of coming into the USA? That they have no wish to cause terror on our shores because they would rather keep such activities limited to their own countries? Or they would want to avoid coming to the USA, thinking they would get in the way of, or perhaps in trouble with, the homegrown terrorists within the USA? So how can you possibly say that halting immigration from countries known to harbor terrorists (even if it does not cover every single one of them) can not have any sort of influence over terrorists coming into this country with mischief on their minds? And that the attempt to do so has nothing at all to do with trying to limit terrorism? So tell me, why do YOU think Trump initiated this policy?
I see. So you feel that allowing 1 million adults into our country has the same impact as 1 million births taking place. Ohhh kayyy.....
So if we completely open our borders with no restrictions to all comers, and let's say 1 million people come into this country, you are seriously claiming that it will have no impact at all? That 1 million jobs will magically appear overnight to accommodate the influx? That there will be no need to be giving any of them government subsidy checks (welfare, food stamps, etc.) as the exploding jobs market you appear to claim will take care of that immediately? Is that what you are claiming? Well, if that is the case, why do we still have unemployment now, since there are obviously people who cannot find employment. Why hasn't this magical creation of jobs already taken place for them? Obviously there are people already HERE that certainly could use those jobs, isn't there? Or does that magic only work for immigrants?
Again, you and Canada are welcome to all of those immigrants who want to come to the USA and find themselves unable to do so because of government imposed restrictions. I really want to see how the job market explodes in Canada for them, as you seem to claim will do so here in the USA. Maybe our government should be taking notes when that happens.
Nope. He has declared that immigration from a certain troublesome region known to harbor terrorists needs to be put on hold temporarily until a reliable and accurate method to investigate and clear persons being allowed into our country can be instituted. I am sorry, but I just don't see a problem with that logic. And I mean REAL logic, not "the sky is falling" sort of stuff that the liberal media wants to wallow in.
No, not as a group, unless I would concur with the reasoning (as will be explained later), but I would certainly support, as well as encourage, that any group of people with the potential for harboring individuals with the inclination towards terrorism to be at least investigated and such people ferreted out as quickly and as effectively as possible. And no, unless such people were found, as individuals, to harbor the strong probability of being terrorists or actively supporting terrorism, I would not be inclined to support any of their rights (as bonafide American citizens) being restricted. Again, with the caveat mentioned below.
I believe trying to curtail and prevent terrorism IS Trump's goal with his executive order. The fact that IF the terrorism is inseparable from the any religion, then that gives a strong case of probable cause to look into such people for the subset of them that probably do have those terrorist tendencies.
And I believe you are getting way ahead of yourself in claiming that any religion right now, or in the REALISTICALLY foreseeable future will become disallowed by the government. That only excludes to possibility that any such religion will put us into the position of having to choose between OUR survival, or theirs. In such a case, I will certainly choose OUR survival over THEIRS.
In my opinion, any person of any race, creed, ethnic group, religion, etc., should be welcome in this country as long as they are willing to be melted into this "melting pot" we call America, become actual AMERICAN citizens, acting as such and joining our existent culture, and certainly not try to bring the culture they decided to leave behind and force that upon the rest of us Americans. If they want to retain their culture, then the solution is simple: Stay where your culture already is. That certainly includes acts of terrorism as well, regardless of why they choose to engage in such activities. Any terrorists, no matter how they are identified via any other criteria or relationships, need to be prevented from entering our country. Period. If that effort fails or proves to be ineffective, then they will need to be dealt with via the harshest means possible in order to curtail that sort of activity HERE.
But if for some reason it is found that terrorism and any religious, ethnic, creed, race, etc., becomes inseparable, then you tell me, what would YOU do in Trump's place being tasked with the responsibility of protecting your country? If a religion states in no uncertain terms that all members of that religious faith MUST kill the unbelieving "infidels" of different faiths, and they choose to follow that dictate and seek out such infidels in their own home country for this purpose, what would YOU do about it? Just let them in, in the name of OUR freedom? In such a case, is the government of OUR country really doing it's job?
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.