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All "Others" Photo Gallery It was suggested to me that a photo gallery for the other critters and interests might be useful to the membership. So here you go, Walt. :)

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Old 01-07-2019, 07:23 PM   #11
Twolunger
I guess the real question would be what does the seller have to gain by claiming hybrid ancestry? Sometimes a hybrid is a cool looking morph currently unavailable in some pure snakes. I see nothing outstanding in the jungles shown in the pictures, quite to the contrary, I have seen many more beautiful pure corns. I can understand it if the seller is being truthful in declaring hybrid ancestry. After all, what if you bred two of these babies together a few years down the road and produced banded corns? A seller's reputation could be compromised. If someone really wanted a jungle corn just breed it yourself, and you would be 100% certain of the ancestry.
 
Old 01-08-2019, 11:45 AM   #12
67temp
Looking through pictures of my collection I found the dark spot behind the eyes on about 20% of my snakes of various morphs from a lot of well known breeders.
 
Old 01-08-2019, 12:12 PM   #13
Twolunger
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Looking through pictures of my collection I found the dark spot behind the eyes on about 20% of my snakes of various morphs from a lot of well known breeders.
So nobody can answer the question that was originally posted. Nobody can definitively say the pictures show hybrids. I guess what I would do, if I wanted a jungle, is contact the seller for more info.
 
Old 01-08-2019, 03:41 PM   #14
rolandslf
Thank You to Everyone thst took the time to comment. The seller say's that they are Corn x King. He is selling them as Jungles, and I just expected Jungles to look a bit different than these. But as was stated, what does he have to gain by claiming that they are Jungle, if they are not. At least we have an honest Breeder out there.

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Old 01-09-2019, 11:28 AM   #15
Twolunger
I have seen photos of jungles that were quite striking. I happened to be looking for pictures of king snakes to help identify a couple I've seen in the wild, and ran across a king snake website that showed several crosses, or what they call hybrids. The pics of the jungles were kind of nice.

Several years back I was looking through my son's vast collection of snakes and saw some of the most vivid amelanistic snakes I'd ever seen. I asked what they were and he said he mated an albino Theryi king snake to an albino Ruthveni king snake. They were stunning, but he said nobody wanted to buy any of them, so he ended up wholesaling the snakes for $10 a piece.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 03:15 PM   #16
rolandslf
Unfortunately people frown on Hybrids, but I have sern some stunning colours among Hybrids. I think if one labels them as Hybrids, then all is good. Sadly there are some unscrupulous people out there, and therein lies the problem.

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Old 01-12-2019, 06:59 PM   #17
Hoss
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Unfortunately people frown on Hybrids, but I have sern some stunning colours among Hybrids. I think if one labels them as Hybrids, then all is good. Sadly there are some unscrupulous people out there, and therein lies the problem.

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I love hybrids as I love pure species as well. However, I do feel your pain in that many hybrids are not listed as such. Take a scaleless cornsnake for instance... how many advertise that the scaleless cornsnake is a hybrid when they are selling them?Scaleless originated in France from an interspecific hybrid breeding between a Cornsnake and a Great Plains Ratsnake.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 07:15 PM   #18
Zincubus
Here's my Hybrid

Milk x King





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Old 01-12-2019, 09:37 PM   #19
Rich Z
First time I ever had exposure to hybrids was when Bill Gillingham sent me a bunch of pics of the hybrids he was working with in a price list. I was astonished at how unusual and beautifully unique they were. So I ordered several pairs of them from him.

When I got them, honestly I was rather disappointed, as they didn't look like what I was hoping for. Certainly not the variety I had hoped for. I just wrote it off as my order being at the bottom of the barrel, and sucked it up. So I didn't keep them long. This was before the days of the internet, so it had dawned on me that working with animals that each and every one could wind up looking completely different, with no adequate way of marketing them by description without having to take photos of EVERY one of them and sending those pics to EVERY prospective buyer, really wasn't a very smart business plan. Thanks, but no thanks. So I abandoned that project in a hurry. That was the last and only time I can recall knowingly buying anything that was a hybrid. I just never worked up an interest in them again.

Funny about the rumors you can hear in a business when you are in it for a bunch of years. I remember hearing a rumor that one of the original tri-color breeders of days long past used to keep all of his tricolors together in communal pits, and they would breed haphazardly among themselves. So he never knew exactly what the parentage of the babies actually was. When he sold them, he sold them identified based solely on their looks, and nothing else remotely like locality or actual specific and subspecific identifying physical traits. Again, just a rumor I heard, and completely unsubstantiated.

Now another rumor that I heard directly from the horse's mouth, was at one of the Tampa reptile shows. It was a piss poor show (as usual), and I had a brought a bunch of baby (non feeding) gray banded king snakes that I had to move out to people with more time on their hands than I had. Had another vendor come by and offered to buy all of them at the end of the show if I would cut him a deal. Sure... I didn't want to take them back home and fuss with them trying to get them feeding. I didn't sell even one of them, so at the end of the show, I packed the whole lot of them over to his tables and traded them for greenbacks. While he was looking over the graybands, he chuckled and mentioned to me that he will make a killing on those babies. He told me that every year he takes whatever baby graybanded kings he can buy wholesale, then rents a room out in west Texas where he sells the heck out of them as "locality" graybanded king snakes to unsuspecting hunters. Truth? Beats me. Perhaps he was just blowing smoke. But it IS what he told me.

So as for hybrids, heck, no one really knows any longer. The waters were muddied up a long LONG time ago. Perhaps some people still fret over it, but honestly, I don't think anyone needs to lose any sleep over it.

And as for locality animals, well, I believe many people know what I think about that.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 10:45 PM   #20
Hoss
Imperial Pueblan/Honduran

Imperial Pueblan/Honduran babies 2.1

I'm definitely in love with these hybrids and the diversity so inherent in them derived from their varied past. There is no doubt about it, the more open you are the possibilities hidden in hybrids the less one sees limits and the more one sees possibilities.
 

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