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Roy Munson
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LOL. Maybe it was the fact that Joe came out and said he was going to do it that tipped you off, Cheryl. I'm not a parent, but it didn't take parental insight to figure this one out. :grin01:JM :o) said:
Serpwidgets
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For the record, this guy clearly started typing his nastyness BEFORE Joejr said "gtfo."
Ironically, that statement sums up why I do not want anyone to associate my name with being a member on Fauna.
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Ironically, that statement sums up why I do not want anyone to associate my name with being a member on Fauna.
Roy Munson said:
Joe says it a lot~ if I'm in chat I tell him to leave Rich alone. I don't usually take it seriously~ it's kind of like when there is a room full of kids and you can hear them in there bickering~ one will holler "I'm gonna tell!" every 5 min or so. It usually doesn't actually make to the "telling" part though~ as most kids put together that IF they do tell~ then whatever the Teller did will come out at the same time as whatever it is he is Telling on.
Sorry~ I just found it funny~ LOL!
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
You are:Joejr14 said:
Joejr14 said:
. . . and you're NOT acting like you own the place?!Joejr14 said:
Let's explore this further shall we?!Joejr14 said:
From Joe_jo's second question about tortoises, he got told this is CORN SNAKE chat. (Funny, just after entering the room someone got called a butthead didn't know that was corn snakey). Got asked if this looked like a tortoise chat room. Got told they have shells (DUH!). Got told they swim (WRONG.). Got mocked with "dis is da cron sankie chat room" and then told to gtfo. All of this BEFORE his SPAZ session . . . Interesting.Chatroom said:
What's it mean when you're already in the place and act like an ass?! That's a more important question and one I think Rich is asking us to think about. Am I defending this guy? Nope. But I don't condone the reaction that he received neither. I guess if you want to talk Lesser Of Two Evils, yeah fine, but that doesn't remove the Classless way he was treated either.Joejr14 said:
Walk away! Corn Chat doesn't define you as a person does it?! Srsly?!Joejr14 said:
Thanks for more ammunition . . . not a good example . . .Joejr14 said:
Clarinet comes into a private chat room . . . how'd she get in there if it was private? Aren't private chat rooms password blocked? If not, then they're not private! DUH! But I digress . . . SO, Clarinet comes into private chat and the first words out of her mouth are:
clarinet45: why can't we talk about boas?
The answer she was give . . . ?
CARattler40_CS: 'cause Boas suck.
CLASSY!! :sidestep:
I've been in chat, I enjoy going into chat when my schedule allows, I love venting in chat, I love conversations in chat, I love the people in chat, I love the debates in chat . . . There is no way I can love nor defend the language and behavior that is displayed towards Non-CS members that are Off-topic. Srsly . . . Yes, it's High School.Joejr14 said:
D80
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
Hate to disagree, but for the record, this guy started his rant well after Joejr told him to gtfo. Unless you're saying Rich edited the chat log . . .Serpwidgets said:
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=335501&postcount=6
D80
gwb8568
\../ 80's Rock \../
dayum.................i am not sure who to spread some reputation around to. this partly is the reason i haven't been to the chat room in the last month..........glad i missed last night. some people have good meat in their posts and also have some poo mixed in. i think if you could take every post and make a nice little potpourri of sentences then it would all fit. but that's just my $.02
hana
I put the 'pygmy' in ban.
I'm not really sure I grasp all this.. But let me give you my side of the story and how I feel about all this (since that's really all that matters anyway, right?).
A long, long time ago, a person popped up in chat and asked in a very juvenile way if anyone kept crested geckos. I said I did, and then was badgered for a solid hour about the most basic husbandry issues. I repeatedly told said person to read a few care sheets. That didn't work. More badgering. I told said person to leave me alone to no avail. So, I put the person on ignore.
Am I the only one who sees how this might cause the tempers otherwise mild mannered people to flair up? Perhaps I am, but to tell everyone they just have to get along because 'I said so', isn't going to work.
Now, I'm not saying we don't get out of hand from time to time, but you can only bat the fly away so many times before you want to slap it.
I don't use Fauna at all really, and the reason being is that the few threads that I've read make it seem like you need a special tattoo to be a part of that group, or maybe the only way in is to be born into it, I don't know. Perhaps it's the same way over here, maybe I just don't see it because I'm in the "clique".
Just my thoughts..
hana
A long, long time ago, a person popped up in chat and asked in a very juvenile way if anyone kept crested geckos. I said I did, and then was badgered for a solid hour about the most basic husbandry issues. I repeatedly told said person to read a few care sheets. That didn't work. More badgering. I told said person to leave me alone to no avail. So, I put the person on ignore.
Am I the only one who sees how this might cause the tempers otherwise mild mannered people to flair up? Perhaps I am, but to tell everyone they just have to get along because 'I said so', isn't going to work.
Now, I'm not saying we don't get out of hand from time to time, but you can only bat the fly away so many times before you want to slap it.
I don't use Fauna at all really, and the reason being is that the few threads that I've read make it seem like you need a special tattoo to be a part of that group, or maybe the only way in is to be born into it, I don't know. Perhaps it's the same way over here, maybe I just don't see it because I'm in the "clique".
Just my thoughts..
hana
Taceas
USW = UB313
I'm a bit disappointed in everyone based on replies of this thread, from Rich on down. Considering some of you are nightly members in chat night after night and are active participants in the group or "clique" you talk down upon now. A few of you I've seen actively participate in some of the mob mentality as it were, against those "poor hapless souls" seeking help for boas/pet rocks in a cornsnakes chat.
I would have thought Rich would have been able to to discern the problems from the people and set it straight. Considering the basis of the people on Cornsnakes, I would have to say that if its something truly bothering us we only then bother Rich with it. And generally I couldn't care two whips about what goes on, but after nearly two weeks it does get old and I e-mailed asking for help.
Here I thought it would be a quick fix, separate the cornsnake chat from the Fauna chats and it'd be 100% resolved. But before you same people say "I actually enjoy people wandering in to talk about other things..." most of us are also members on Fauna, so if I was really craving a talk about leopard geckos, I'd go over there and log onto chat. It works both ways.
It's not only Joe who's being, what was it, whiney? I have sent two mostly polite e-mails to Rich with chat logs asking for help on the matter. I wasn't demanding, I was curious as to anything that could be done to either separate CS chat into its own entity or tell the people who repeatedly make a mockery of themselves to stay away. I even apologized for sending him the chat logs, knowing he's busier than a one-armed paper-hanger these days, and I get back a rude reply. Maybe it was warranted, I'll never know.
I do know I don't like feeling I was a participant in a lynching because of some of the things that have recently gone down in chat, because its just not the case. It's not my job to accomdate every nitwit who wanders into chat because they were too lazy to do their own homework on their pets. It's not my job to accomdate less than polite people who act like 3 year olds demanding a candybar. Most of the time I politely tell them that they're not going to get much help in a cornsnake room and to go somewhere else that would be more beneficial. Other people may reply rudely, that's their choice. How it ends up is a totally different picture.
Agreeing with Joe for once, yes I'll note this in my diary, people are only seeing what they want to see here. People aren't seeing chat as it is day in and day out. They aren't seeing the commraderie and fun we have in there before the idiots from Fauna come over. They're only seeing members of CS chat being rude and offensive. That's their choice I guess.
For those of you saying that chat is a clique, but yet I never recall ever seeing you there, how can you know what something is unless you actively participate or even try to participate? Fact of the matter is, I have hardly any problems with cornsnake members, a few I don't care for and I actually leave chat until they do, but most people are made to feel welcome in chat. We're a group of people who spend time in there night after night, up till all hours of the night talking and enjoying each other's company. I never would have thought of that as a clique, especially when new people from fauna and CS come in and we engage them all the same. We don't say "no, you're not allowed because of such and such".
Why is it always the same people who say we're in a clique? Is it because those people once got a bunch of the older members upset because they acted like an idiot? I don't recall ever seeing you in chat but maybe once or twice Billybobob, and neither time you were there or immediately after you leaving did we say "teehee, he's the nutjob who thought he was god for the signature areas!1". If it was said, it must have been a weekend when I'm generally too busy enjoying my days off to chat.
The truth of the matter is, I'd say on any given night only 5% of the conversation is actually cornsnake related, so we're definitely not Cornsnake Nazi's. If it were anymore than that I'd get bored and leave. I deal with my cornsnakes every night of the week, I join chat to talk about other things and relax. I don't mind if people talk about boas and such, as long as its intelligent in nature. But I do mind when people come in (mostly from Fauna), and rudely take over a previous conversation we were having to ask questions that a Google-search or a caresheet could have answered better than people in a cornsnake room could.
If you can act like an adult and not demand we do anything for you, or act like a dick...you're going to be accepted into the "clique" regardless of whether you come from Fauna, CS, or the moon.
So before you cast your stones and make ass-umptions on here, please feel free to join chat and see what we're really like....away from the chat logs and clique-talk.
I would have thought Rich would have been able to to discern the problems from the people and set it straight. Considering the basis of the people on Cornsnakes, I would have to say that if its something truly bothering us we only then bother Rich with it. And generally I couldn't care two whips about what goes on, but after nearly two weeks it does get old and I e-mailed asking for help.
Here I thought it would be a quick fix, separate the cornsnake chat from the Fauna chats and it'd be 100% resolved. But before you same people say "I actually enjoy people wandering in to talk about other things..." most of us are also members on Fauna, so if I was really craving a talk about leopard geckos, I'd go over there and log onto chat. It works both ways.
It's not only Joe who's being, what was it, whiney? I have sent two mostly polite e-mails to Rich with chat logs asking for help on the matter. I wasn't demanding, I was curious as to anything that could be done to either separate CS chat into its own entity or tell the people who repeatedly make a mockery of themselves to stay away. I even apologized for sending him the chat logs, knowing he's busier than a one-armed paper-hanger these days, and I get back a rude reply. Maybe it was warranted, I'll never know.
I do know I don't like feeling I was a participant in a lynching because of some of the things that have recently gone down in chat, because its just not the case. It's not my job to accomdate every nitwit who wanders into chat because they were too lazy to do their own homework on their pets. It's not my job to accomdate less than polite people who act like 3 year olds demanding a candybar. Most of the time I politely tell them that they're not going to get much help in a cornsnake room and to go somewhere else that would be more beneficial. Other people may reply rudely, that's their choice. How it ends up is a totally different picture.
Agreeing with Joe for once, yes I'll note this in my diary, people are only seeing what they want to see here. People aren't seeing chat as it is day in and day out. They aren't seeing the commraderie and fun we have in there before the idiots from Fauna come over. They're only seeing members of CS chat being rude and offensive. That's their choice I guess.
For those of you saying that chat is a clique, but yet I never recall ever seeing you there, how can you know what something is unless you actively participate or even try to participate? Fact of the matter is, I have hardly any problems with cornsnake members, a few I don't care for and I actually leave chat until they do, but most people are made to feel welcome in chat. We're a group of people who spend time in there night after night, up till all hours of the night talking and enjoying each other's company. I never would have thought of that as a clique, especially when new people from fauna and CS come in and we engage them all the same. We don't say "no, you're not allowed because of such and such".
Why is it always the same people who say we're in a clique? Is it because those people once got a bunch of the older members upset because they acted like an idiot? I don't recall ever seeing you in chat but maybe once or twice Billybobob, and neither time you were there or immediately after you leaving did we say "teehee, he's the nutjob who thought he was god for the signature areas!1". If it was said, it must have been a weekend when I'm generally too busy enjoying my days off to chat.
The truth of the matter is, I'd say on any given night only 5% of the conversation is actually cornsnake related, so we're definitely not Cornsnake Nazi's. If it were anymore than that I'd get bored and leave. I deal with my cornsnakes every night of the week, I join chat to talk about other things and relax. I don't mind if people talk about boas and such, as long as its intelligent in nature. But I do mind when people come in (mostly from Fauna), and rudely take over a previous conversation we were having to ask questions that a Google-search or a caresheet could have answered better than people in a cornsnake room could.
If you can act like an adult and not demand we do anything for you, or act like a dick...you're going to be accepted into the "clique" regardless of whether you come from Fauna, CS, or the moon.
So before you cast your stones and make ass-umptions on here, please feel free to join chat and see what we're really like....away from the chat logs and clique-talk.
jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
Ah, the "out of context" defense. A classic.Joejr14 said:
- First off, whenever I come into chat, it's NEVER "a" conversation. It's multiple conversations, overlapping each other. Why shouldn't someone coming into the room have the ability to begin their own conversations? I could cite MANY instances where you yourself have entered chat and posted something not relevant to the topics at hand, e.g., a crappy shift at Blockbuster. Moving forward, do I have license to respond with "off topic - gtfo" to you??
- 10 seconds? Are you timing splits with a stopwatch?
Agreed, to a point. As I've already opined, articulate questions win out over inarticulate ones, no doubt. But, as the logs indicate, they're not being ignored. Pack instincts have smelled out fresh meat.
Rich's point exactly. He's calling for an end to such behavior.
As does the pack mentality.
And again I say.....
And Rich has asked that we alter our expectations, and thus, our behavior, lest we lose the privilege he's given us. Why is that so difficult to understand?
I think the point is people who haven't been to chat have found no incentive to do so, given what they may face, as evidenced by the transcript.
regards,
jazz
Joejr14
Grand Bubble Burster
jazzgeek said:Ah, the "out of context" defense. A classic.
Agreed, to a point. As I've already opined, articulate questions win out over inarticulate ones, no doubt. But, as the logs indicate, they're not being ignored. Pack instincts have smelled out fresh meat.
- First off, whenever I come into chat, it's NEVER "a" conversation. It's multiple conversations, overlapping each other. Why shouldn't someone coming into the room have the ability to begin their own conversations? I could cite MANY instances where you yourself have entered chat and posted something not relevant to the topics at hand, e.g., a crappy shift at Blockbuster. Moving forward, do I have license to respond with "off topic - gtfo" to you??
- 10 seconds? Are you timing splits with a stopwatch?
Rich's point exactly. He's calling for an end to such behavior.
As does the pack mentality.
And again I say.....
And Rich has asked that we alter our expectations, and thus, our behavior, lest we lose the privilege he's given us. Why is that so difficult to understand?
I think the point is people who haven't been to chat have found no incentive to do so, given what they may face, as evidenced by the transcript.
regards,
jazz
......I'm dumbfounded.
Dale, you are in chat with us every night, see these problems, and have acted quite often in the same manner that we did last night----and now you're scolding us?
After this post of yours, I certainly hope I never see you in chat scolding someone about coming into a cornsnake chat room and talking about 'torts.
jazzgeek_CS: I know some thing about tortoises.
jazzgeek_CS: and that thing is "Tortoises are not corn snakes".
jazzgeek_CS: Welcome to Cornsnake Chat, Oh Childish Twerp With Tourette's.
CMLReptiles
Hooah!
My statement was meant more in regards to a lot of stuff that was said OUTSIDE of that thread, mainly in chat. and alot of it was "this is a cornsnake site, not a boa site" despite the thread being in general discussion. Hope that clears things up.
Roy Munson said:
desertanimal
2003 UB313
Well I don't give a curly-haired rat's you know what what goes on in chat. I am just not good enough at multi-tasking to handle the chatroom. But NOTHING that was said in that chat log excuses or justifies the tort guy's behavior.
If there is any censuring going on from Rich, I sure hope that guy the lion's share of it. I don't care HOW hard you "slap" a person verbally. His response was completely out of the ballpark.
If there is any censuring going on from Rich, I sure hope that guy the lion's share of it. I don't care HOW hard you "slap" a person verbally. His response was completely out of the ballpark.
jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
Scolding? Nope. Just doing my usual schtick of pointing out ironies and inconsistencies - my own included. As I stated in my first post of this thread, I see the validity of Rich's point.Joejr14 said:
Before that, over three months ago, I opined on the pack mentality I've seen in chat.
Which is also why, after 2 days of doing it myself, I refused to jump to the privately created room - back and forth, forever (it seemed) - when the gang got frustrated with the "Fauna invasion" a day or two ago. I think I used the word "lemmings".
Save your eyeroll. First off, I'm all for tort reform. :grin01:After this post of yours, I certainly hope I never see you in chat scolding someone about coming into a cornsnake chat room and talking about 'torts.
jazzgeek_CS: I know some thing about tortoises.
jazzgeek_CS: and that thing is "Tortoises are not corn snakes".
jazzgeek_CS: Welcome to Cornsnake Chat, Oh Childish Twerp With Tourette's.
If you haven't noticed by now, my primary goal in chat is to play and attempt some creativity with the words I post. Next priority is to do what I do in the forums - comment on inconsistencies and ironies. After that, learn about corns what I can't do by my own research.
And if these priorities don't agree with you, hey, gtfo.
(Get it now?)
regards,
jazz
Candy_Cane1
New member
Ok.
Well, after reading this, you've all (Not Chris, Joe, all of you people i cant remember that i agree) Driven me to the point of wanting to drive my face into a cement wall. Because, there's people posting about chat cliques when they've rarely even BEEN in the chat room, people posting things against Joe, who was trying to FIX a problem, Oh, to all of those that happen to have been targeting Joe today, I apologize for you, because I found that mean, and if we would look at the actual problem, were trying to stop trolls not create them. I am very disappointed with everyones behavior, there are TONS of respectable people that attend that chat, that deserve better than being driven into the ground. If you accomplished anything today, you've accomplished Upsetting a 16 year old girl. Congratulations. My brain Cannot even COMPREHEND how much this has gone down hill.
Love and hugs from candy, AKA, Page.
Well, after reading this, you've all (Not Chris, Joe, all of you people i cant remember that i agree) Driven me to the point of wanting to drive my face into a cement wall. Because, there's people posting about chat cliques when they've rarely even BEEN in the chat room, people posting things against Joe, who was trying to FIX a problem, Oh, to all of those that happen to have been targeting Joe today, I apologize for you, because I found that mean, and if we would look at the actual problem, were trying to stop trolls not create them. I am very disappointed with everyones behavior, there are TONS of respectable people that attend that chat, that deserve better than being driven into the ground. If you accomplished anything today, you've accomplished Upsetting a 16 year old girl. Congratulations. My brain Cannot even COMPREHEND how much this has gone down hill.
Love and hugs from candy, AKA, Page.
ghosthousecorns
New member
Whoa, dumbfounded here.
I'm an occasional visitor to chat, I really don't have time to sit there for hours every night, but to me all of this boils down to common courtesy.
If somebody new comes into chat and says hello, take the time to greet them back. They will not feel like they are being 'ignored by the clique' if they are at least acknowledged.
If you come into chat and have a question, wait a minute, say hello, and try not to jump right into changing the subject.
If you use a bunch of abbreviations, spell incorrectly and leetspeak don't expect to be taken seriously.
If someone annoys you with their posting style or dumb questions, ignore them. Don't goad them on. If they bother you so much you can put them on ignore or leave.
For those of you who think it is a clique, I used to feel there was kind of a clique thing too, but now I don't so much. Maybe I'm just getting more accepted into the group because I've tried to make it a point to visit more often and try to participate more. It still kinda sucks sometimes to come in, say hello, and get almost no replies, but I guess nobody is under any obligation to greet everyone that comes in. I just would like to mention a couple of people who have said 'Hi Jen' to me and made me feel welcome in chat: Carol, CArattler, Ultimuttone, Bobo's Mama and Roy Munson to name a few screen names. You guys rock.
I hope everybody can use a little common courtesy and stop this resource from getting shut down entirely.
I'm an occasional visitor to chat, I really don't have time to sit there for hours every night, but to me all of this boils down to common courtesy.
If somebody new comes into chat and says hello, take the time to greet them back. They will not feel like they are being 'ignored by the clique' if they are at least acknowledged.
If you come into chat and have a question, wait a minute, say hello, and try not to jump right into changing the subject.
If you use a bunch of abbreviations, spell incorrectly and leetspeak don't expect to be taken seriously.
If someone annoys you with their posting style or dumb questions, ignore them. Don't goad them on. If they bother you so much you can put them on ignore or leave.
For those of you who think it is a clique, I used to feel there was kind of a clique thing too, but now I don't so much. Maybe I'm just getting more accepted into the group because I've tried to make it a point to visit more often and try to participate more. It still kinda sucks sometimes to come in, say hello, and get almost no replies, but I guess nobody is under any obligation to greet everyone that comes in. I just would like to mention a couple of people who have said 'Hi Jen' to me and made me feel welcome in chat: Carol, CArattler, Ultimuttone, Bobo's Mama and Roy Munson to name a few screen names. You guys rock.
I hope everybody can use a little common courtesy and stop this resource from getting shut down entirely.
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tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
Dean,Roy Munson said:
I will give you the benifit of the doubt on that and I will reread the post. I remember the post and that some of the posts seemed unfriendly, not mean but just seemed cold shoulderish.
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