Testing for Stargazing

Who tests for Stargazer? Why do people only assume since their SK projects show no SG then they are free. Has any one every seen the little guys doing the SG in person it's so sad. There are some really good reads about SG. I will post some links showing what the odds of producing a SG from projects, how long it would take to surface. I know most people will not waste a productive year of SK to test for SG. Once the SG starts popping up in various people's collections. There are going be some very unhappy folks. I have tested all my females. Waiting on the results. If I have SG in my lines I will raise enough females to start testing males. All of my SK sold this year will be gazer free lines. Also the ACR will be just about the only way to make sure you are getting gazer free corns. I just wanted to throw this out there. I know some
will be upset, mad, and some agreeing. My good friend Joe Pierce is really up to snuff on testing for SG. Connie and Charles also have some awesome reads about there findings. I don't have all the answers but their is a ton of info out there on this disease. I hope I don't get the spear for bringing this up.

Just seems as much as this forum cares about corns, there would be a lot more testing going on and a lot less assuming everything is good with SK.


SK are a favorite of mine. I have tons of projects containing SK. Like I said before the ones sold from us will be gazer free. I have an adult gazer male male I aquired free, a het gazer male on loan, and some yearling gazers for more testing. So if any one wants homo gazers for testing I am offering my 2012 stock free of charge to anyone interested in getting gazers to test their SK stock.

I've seen some videos of stargazing corns - it's very sad. Do only the sunkissed morphs carry the stargazing gene or how does it work? And how is it tested for?

If you do some searching there have been plenty of posts/threads about this already and most people ARE testing out their sunkisseds when they can get a hold of a known gazer/het gazer.
This drum has already been beat by most of us.

Also, it is worth noting; just because you're breeding a gazer/het gazer into your stock to 'test' it does NOT mean they are gazer free if the hatchlings are normal. It just means that the percentage/chance is lower. Ever breed hets and miss your target morph? Same thing.

I was fortunate enough to get 1.1 yearling homo gazers and a 2011 female homo gazer from Joe as well. The yearlings were not large enough to breed this year, but I will be starting to test my holdback SK combos next season, so I probably won't have many, if any SK animals next season due to testing. Hopefully this homo gazer male will be ready to perform because I plan to put him on as many females that he can handle.

I was also fortunate enough to obtain a pair of young adult PROVEN GAZER FREE Sunkisseds ph Lava from Joe that I will start new projects with, so I know I will definatly have gazer free lines in the future.

Next year when I start testing I will have a page on my website dedicated to my gazer testing so everyone can keep up with my findings.

Thanks again Joe !!
Walter

Breeding hets does give you a better idea. Breeding homos are going to give you 99.99% gazer free hatchlings. Het gazers are more work to test with. I will offer any homo and het gazers to anyone free. If they want them. With a little searching I was able to aquire them very easy.

I see a lot of post asking if there stock is gazer free and the most common answer is it hasn't shown up. It could take many breedings for the two caring the gazer gene to be breed together. I think if your gonna raise SK you should make an effort to prove you are not selling SK projects with the possibility of them poping up in future breedings.

You have to put forth an effort to make sure what you are selling is not carrying SG. Most breeders are not going to waste the time. That will come back to haunt them.

For your question before Tara, SK is being crossed into everything. The big problem is they are using untested SK lines.

Just thought I would bring it up. Since the ones who seem to care about corns are not testing only racing to the next SK combo. To each his own. I don't run anything but my own collection. I will have gazer free lines tested and paper work to go with. While others will say it's never been tested only answer the others will have is I haven't seen it in my lines.

I plan on breeding micro scales into gazer free lines. Others will pick there project using SK and use the never seen it in my line of SK.

Also you ate wrong believing breeding homo gazers into SK lines. It will prove them positive or negative. Wow!

Walter Smith said:

I was fortunate enough to get 1.1 yearling homo gazers and a 2011 female homo gazer from Joe as well. The yearlings were not large enough to breed this year, but I will be starting to test my holdback SK combos next season, so I probably won't have many, if any SK animals next season due to testing. Hopefully this homo gazer male will be ready to perform because I plan to put him on as many females that he can handle.

I was also fortunate enough to obtain a pair of young adult PROVEN GAZER FREE Sunkisseds ph Lava from Joe that I will start new projects with, so I know I will definatly have gazer free lines in the future.

Next year when I start testing I will have a page on my website dedicated to my gazer testing so everyone can keep up with my findings.

Thanks again Joe !!
Walter

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Walter, do you plan on testing parents of any SK combos you have already produced, so you would be able to say, with as much certainty as possible, that the parents were gazer-free? Specifically the parents of the SK Blood girl I have at my house?

Thanks, Walter. Breeders like you Joe and others are the one that will make a difference. Before this gets out of hand. I'm not knocking anyone. I just think if you are into SK projects you should try and prove them gazer free. If not they should not keep moving untested lines into the market. It will be horrible for this to start showing up in every kind of corn morph. Eventually SK will be associated with numerous morphs.

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You have to put forth an effort to make sure what you are selling is not carrying SG. Most breeders are not going to waste the time. That will come back to haunt them.

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This is simply not true. The word "most" is fairly all encompassing and incorrect. You do not know this and are making an assumption.

As I said earlier, there are multiple places where you can find threads on this subject already. Including the 'other site'.

Here's a good start:
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113359&highlight=gazer

Just because people haven't made threads as inflammatory as this one, doesn't mean they aren't either testing or already have "close to proven 100% free" lines (as math works - this would be considered a differential equation btw).
For example, most of the ones I'm breeding already have had their lines extensively tested by Chuck Pritzel (as they came from him) and I have a homo gazer for the rest.

Do not assume, that's usually a bad thing.

Sony get all defensive. This is not days of our lives. If you feel that bad maybe you have a quilty conscience. If you font like my post quit reading it. I wanted to talk about what I have picked up on here. I am not trying to interagate who is and who isn't. I stated I see a lot of post asking if their SK are gazer free. Most answers are no they have not been seen in our project.

Chill out. One reason people don't post is people get so darn mad and offended.

If your doing it great if not your bad. But if your going to be ugly to me. Read something else please.

There is nothing in my post that should be considered 'ugly'. I am not taking offense, as it doesn't pertain to me.
I would consider it more along the lines that I am irritated that you haven't done enough research or talked to enough people to point fingers, which is exactly what it seems to me that you are doing.

I do not feel that I was rude in the least. Including already providing you an example of my stock (which, I am assuming* you didn't know). Sorry if you took it that way.

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If you feel that bad maybe you have a quilty conscience.

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Those are heavy words.

Who are you to cast down such wild assumptions?

I'd check your references before making some of the broad baseless statement you have in this thread. Things are different that you assume.

You do not know what all breeders are doing behind the scenes.

Not pointing fingers at anyone. I don't judge. I am not the man that does the judging. I see a lot if what I have mentioned. I am not a rude person. I just wanted to talk about SG testing. Doesn't seem like a lot of folks are.

I have researched SG. I'm not the best with words. But I haven't gotten this far being ignorant.

There are a lot of great people on here. I thought folks that cared about corns would want to discuss SG.

There are tons of threads, but who is making an effort. You have BOI good guys. Why not something for folks devoting a lot of time testing?

I hope you didn't think I beT a drum to offend you.

Excuse my misspelling I fat finger a lot on my I phone and spell check is not working for me. Don't need that as ammo against me today either!

Heavy no. I will not argue with you. If your offended I'm sorry. But please quit making this thread about you. I am not knocking you.

It's your approach.

You have to be careful with statements like:

I know most people will not waste a productive year of SK to test for SG.

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Most breeders are not going to waste the time.

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Blanket statements like that tend to ruffle feathers in a major way.

MOST, and I mean MOST, of the people working heavily with SK HAVE done some degree of testing, or bought stock from proven lines.

Walter took this as a positive thing. He replied as what he was doing.

Nanci asked about her SK BR she aquired from him.

That's what kind of talk I wanted to start.

I'm human. I take nothing personal. Unless you say nick you are selling junk nothing is tested. I never said you are a bad breeder. You went of on a wild tangent. If you don't want to discuss SG are contribute to what you have done to benefit other for future SG testing. Then we are wasting a lot of time and space.

If this is the case, you could start your post in an entirely different manner than stating things like:

Why do people only assume since their SK projects show no SG then they are free

I know most people will not waste a productive year of SK to test for SG.

there would be a lot more testing going on and a lot less assuming everything is good with SK.

(which are cuts from what you said btw)

Your statements are actually fairly funny because I've been here a while, and if you knew me or have seen the majority of my posts (or even read the thread I posted) then you'd know my actual stance on it.
I am an engineer with an engineering personality. I haven't taken anything here personally, I'm just pointing out to you that you posted (and are continuing to post), in an inflammatory manner where you are trying to appear a hero (or so it seems to me), when many people I personally know have, are and will do testing to their utmost.

Take a moment and look back at how you started the thread.
If you wanted to have a scientific look at this, obtain personable feedback or make this into an educational discussion then you wouldn't have opened this thread the way you have done - nor would you be still making the jibes you are making now.

I think it's a great topic and have stated so on the other thread and will continue to do so but I'd (and I think a lot of us) would appreciate you not attempting to passively put other people down to make a point.

nmoore601 said:

Breeders like Joe and others are the one that will make a difference.

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:roflmao:.

airenlow said:

:roflmao:.

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I second this....and third it!!!

This needs repping....