666killademon
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Thanks for all of your opinions and I will take them all into consideration also sorry about the outburst, but I think we should just end this.
Yes, your post was humorous, and tongue in cheek, but there was also an element of belittlement. I should know it when I see it-- you'll find that much of my posting history is filled with posts of similar "tone". I never threatened to ban you, and I'm not even telling you to cut it out. I'm just asking you to think about the content of your posts, and if you find that that you could be read as "talking down" to someone, you may want to re-evaluate your words. I'm not always good at it either, but I'm trying. That's all I ask from you.hartsock said:Okay, look I wasn't trying to be harsh, much of what I said was to be taken as tongue in cheek as applying a little humor to what really is a serous topic. I apologize if I offended anyone...
*mod hat off* There are many reasons that I use f/t, but the danger posed to corns by live mice (rats are a different story) isn't one of them. I've fed thousands of live mice to corns in the old days, before you could order f/t over the internet, when EVERYBODY fed live, and I never had a single situation where a mouse even broke the skin of a snake. I do not consider supervised feeding of live mice to corns to be irresponsible. I also don't think that someone's a monster for wanting to see prey subdued. It's a bore to me, but I can't expect everyone to feel that way.HOWEVER, what we are really talking about is putting your pet in danger so you can get a thrill and plain and simple I don't see why you should take that risk. You admit you get a thrill out of seeing it kill and I will admit that does give anyone who loves snakes a rush. To see the power, the speed, the efficency that your pet who you can hold in your hand turn into this predator who stalks is really awesome, but where is the responsibilty on the owners part? Someone answer this? I know they eat live prey in the wild, but in the wild you aren't enclosed in glass, a snake that is being fed mainly thawed suddenly having a live mouse/rat introduced every now and then is what I would call confusion and irresponsible on the owners part.
This is not a very good analogy unless your kid's an expert, instinctual climber, and climbing (with or without safety gear) is essential to his survival.I get a thrill/high out of watching someone climb the side of a mountian without safety gear, does that mean that as a father I am going to send my kid up the side of the cliff?
You may feel this to be true, but that doesn't make it true. This is another bad analogy. The danger is not the same. A corn snake is equipped by natural selection to be an expert, instinctual predator of rodents. A human is not equipped by natural selection to withstand bites from highly venomous snakes.What I said about the hot snakes, I feel to be very true. If someone really wants a rush out of feeding their snakes, they should hand feed a hot one. why not put yourself in the same danger that you are putting your snake?
I haven't seen too many horrific photos of damage caused by feeding live MICE. Again, rats are a different story. There are many aspects of snake-keeping that pose risks to the snake. A fall to the floor while handling could be fatal. If I was going to be a crusader for snake safety, live-mouse-feeding would be way down the list of things I'd be concerned about. Too bad there aren't photos of the dessicated corpses of the thousands and thousands of snakes that are allowed to escape due to poor enclosure security. If you could see these photos, maybe you'd argue that snake shouldn't be kept in captivity period. :shrugs:All you need to do is look at the post above my first one on here, or do a search on this forum or many others to see the damage that will be caused by feeding live. It is one thing when that is all a snake will eat, it is totally another thing when it is done just for the owner to get off on it! As far as monitoring live prey in with a snake, tell me how are you going to intervene when a snake is constricting it's prey(the whole reason why this started) and it still bites the snake while being held?
Well, I have to agree that putting the snake's safety first doesn't make you "soft". I don't really like the way that word is tossed around, especially by internet tough guys. What kind of "hard" people do these guys look up to? Jeffrey Dahmer? Idi Amin? I'd like to see where these guys draw the line between "hard" and "soft".IMO, that is a risk that a responsible snake owner should not take. If that offends anyone, sorry, but again, that is my opinon and many others. And as far as being soft, if it means I care about my snakes, then you can call me any name you want, because frankly, I really don't care.
But the bottom line is...snake owners should not fool themselves into thinking that there is a moral difference between feeding f/t and live as regards the mouse. There isn't. The mouse is killed, either way, and unless you perform the killing yourself, you cannot be guaranteed of a more humane death.
Flagg said:Bah, you're all soft! Not only do my corns all eat live jumbo rats, but I do as well. That's how it is growing up on the mean streets of Indiana.
Probably going to be my favorite post for quite some time! :rofl:Flagg said:Bah, you're all soft! Not only do my corns all eat live jumbo rats, but I do as well. That's how it is growing up on the mean streets of Indiana.
:grin01: Kind of reminds me of some show on tv with a guy named Rob. Ate everything! He was always searching for snakes and lizzards and such to talk about, but always eating everything as well! Great post!Flagg said:Bah, you're all soft! Not only do my corns all eat live jumbo rats, but I do as well. That's how it is growing up on the mean streets of Indiana.