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Old 02-24-2010, 03:32 PM   #71
Russell
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All that can easily be explained by the variation seen in any morph. And, neither of those links worked for me by the way.
exactly Mike, there is variation in any of the morphs, that doesn't change what they are or necessarily tell you what they are het for. Just cause one finds a really red animal in a pet store doesn't mean it's het bloodred. I might be het lavender or lava...
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:34 PM   #72
JimGERcream
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All that can easily be explained by the variation seen in any morph. And, neither of those links worked for me by the way.
It's not that easy. At first I thought the same, but I've seen some in person and changed my mind. believe me, I know how different lines and similar stuff affect the colouration, but this is something different.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:36 PM   #73
carnivorouszoo
apparently NOTHING can be proven.

BTW, I just saw (hadn ot read it anywhere before here) that the buf came from caramel lines which PROVES caramel IS involved. Wasn't the point to prove it wasn't? To prove out the buf perhaps breed these buf het caramel together and see if you get buf AND caramel. Mind no other morph genes could be in play to influence the outcome. Oh wait you said it wouldn't matter . . .but yes it could matter. IF buf is a new gene I would say it may share allels with caramel like ultra. Thus the confussion on how to prove it out. How did they prove ultra was not just a version of amel? Perhaps follow that way of test breeding?

Of course I don't really think any of what I just said would be considered and my head hurts worse that I let myself type this, but I could not walk away from this, ug. . . .
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:37 PM   #74
Russell
sorry about the headache, hope your feeling better soon.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:38 PM   #75
wstphal
I keep typing replies & then not posting them. There sure is a lot of heat over this one. Could somebody explain why that is to this newbie?
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:39 PM   #76
Russell
it would be nicer if the one doing all the hard work was able to simply jump in here and answer all questions, but I understand there is a language barrier... We are going worldwide here and not so simple...
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:39 PM   #77
carnivorouszoo
are you even going to CONSIDER that it may share the caramel spot like ultra does with amel or just ignore the possibility? The orange could be similar to ultramel where both are present.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:40 PM   #78
Russell
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I keep typing replies & then not posting them. There sure is a lot of heat over this one. Could somebody explain why that is to this newbie?
probably best to just ignore the hostility and not worry about it. You can enjoy the hobby just fine without knowing all the hostilities involved. Trust me, you'd be happier not knowing.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:40 PM   #79
Russell
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are you even going to CONSIDER that it may share the caramel spot like ultra does with amel or just ignore the possibility? The orange could be similar to ultramel where both are present.
Yep, you could be absolutely correct!
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:42 PM   #80
Russell
the problem is I don't own the Buf gene, nor have I worked with it, nor have I followed that project. Chuck just tried to include as much as he could into his book with the limited space he has to spend. He probably could have filled the whole book on the different crosses done with Buf and it's results. But he didn't do that. He touches on it briefly that there is this morph, out there, that someone has done some work with. It's still being worked on...
 

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