As i stated in my member introduction, i would love to eventually own a snow corn and a creamsicle corn down the road. I would also be extremely interested in breeding them too, so my question is this: When it comes to wanting to pair these two, what would be the outcome? would my offspring come out as snows? would they come out as creamsicles? or would i have a hybrid on my hands? i'd love some insight on this :wavey::wavey:
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What would come of this pairing?
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snakekeepertez
New member
a creamsicle is a hybrid. So breeding with one will make more. Even to a snow I believe it will produce Amels het anery but still hybrid origins
So when i'd go to sell the offspring, i'd never be able to advertise them as either snows or creamsicles? I'd have to label them as a snow/creamsicle hybrid?
thank you for the replies btw. i'm very foreign to these parts of biology
ok thank you for the advice. Now my last question i have is, i've read that when a snake lays a clutch, you can separate the eggs but you aren't allowed to turn/roll them. is this true?
Nanci
Alien Lover
You don't need to separate the eggs. There is no reason to. Fertile eggs stick together in a clump to prevent them from rolling and to make the harder for predators to swallow. By separating them, you risk damaging and killing the eggs.
A study was done in which the eggs were turned. The hatchlings showed no ill-effects.
A study was done in which the eggs were turned. The hatchlings showed no ill-effects.
heatwave
Certified Herp-a-holic
Drexan, I just wanted to throw my .02 cents in here cause I think you are misunderstanding something (I could be just mis reading you)
I think when you say "hybrid" you are thinking of a "hybrid" between a snow and a creamscicle, as in, if you bred an anery to a normal the offspring would be "hybrid" anery/normals. This is not the case: Snow..anery..amel...charcoal..etc etc those are all "morphs", IE different genetic representations of the same species of snake (Pantherophis guttatus.... corn snake)
HOWEVER the "creamscicle" is NOT a corn snake. It is a hybrid, meaning it is a crossing between two species. It is a cross between a corn snake (Pantherophis guttatus) and a great plans rat snake (Pantherophis emoryi) so anytime you have a "creamscicle" in the mix, all offsprings are hybrids because they have emoryi blood in the mix. Make sense?
If you breed a creamscicle (an amel cornsnake/emoryi hybrid) to a snow corn (amel and anery) you will get 100% amel snakes that are 75% corn 25% rat hybrids. And they would look a lot like corn snakes, which makes things very difficult for people purchasing them down the line (not knowing they have emoryi blood in the mix) so really its best to stick with either all corns or all creamsicles
If no one has showed it to you this site is awesome: http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/ You can read about all the different morphs and what traits a snake needs to carry to show a certain morph. For instance, the snow you want is a snake that carries the traits for both Amel and Anery at the same time. Once you know what you want you can plug in their genes to the corn calculator (www.corncalc.com) and get a projected estimate of offspring. It takes a little bit to understand but I promise if you just stick with it and read all the articles you will get it down in no time.
If your ultimate goal is to produce snows and creamscicles, I would get a pair of each and not mix them.
Good luck!
Drexan, I just wanted to throw my .02 cents in here cause I think you are misunderstanding something (I could be just mis reading you)
I think when you say "hybrid" you are thinking of a "hybrid" between a snow and a creamscicle, as in, if you bred an anery to a normal the offspring would be "hybrid" anery/normals. This is not the case: Snow..anery..amel...charcoal..etc etc those are all "morphs", IE different genetic representations of the same species of snake (Pantherophis guttatus.... corn snake)
HOWEVER the "creamscicle" is NOT a corn snake. It is a hybrid, meaning it is a crossing between two species. It is a cross between a corn snake (Pantherophis guttatus) and a great plans rat snake (Pantherophis emoryi) so anytime you have a "creamscicle" in the mix, all offsprings are hybrids because they have emoryi blood in the mix. Make sense?
If you breed a creamscicle (an amel cornsnake/emoryi hybrid) to a snow corn (amel and anery) you will get 100% amel snakes that are 75% corn 25% rat hybrids. And they would look a lot like corn snakes, which makes things very difficult for people purchasing them down the line (not knowing they have emoryi blood in the mix) so really its best to stick with either all corns or all creamsicles
If no one has showed it to you this site is awesome: http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/ You can read about all the different morphs and what traits a snake needs to carry to show a certain morph. For instance, the snow you want is a snake that carries the traits for both Amel and Anery at the same time. Once you know what you want you can plug in their genes to the corn calculator (www.corncalc.com) and get a projected estimate of offspring. It takes a little bit to understand but I promise if you just stick with it and read all the articles you will get it down in no time.
If your ultimate goal is to produce snows and creamscicles, I would get a pair of each and not mix them.
Good luck!
Wow heatwave, that's the kind of in depth answer i was actually hoping for! i sincerely appreciate your help on this topic. see, i wasn't aware that the creamsicle was itself a cross species hybrid and not an actual true corn. Even though i love the color scheme, I wish to breed corns and not hybrids. I believe i shall go with my original choice of a Ghost and a Snow for breeding purposes. I still greatly appreciate your help, and i definitely will use the site you recommended
WestCoast_Redneck
New member
I have a hybrid also (Ultra anery), which I knew nothing about until I found this site and read up about morphs and hybrids. Ian's viv is an excellent site, definitely helped me out a ton.
Good luck to you with breeding! I've received very helpful advise here which is so appreciated!