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Ghetto Hatchlingt Rack!

Carinata said:
Even if you're right that paper has a higher ignition point than plastic (which I highly doubt you are), what about moisture build up? Carboard molds, plastic doesn't. For that reason alone I would never use this system.
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I agree David. The card board will also be a lovely place to harbor bacteria.

To each their own, but don't come crying when something bad happens. Enough people have warned you.
 
Another thing is, whenever I move tubs around I use alcohol to disinfect the slot. Could I do that with cardboard? No. This just all around a bad idea, and yes it's pretty ghetto.
 
If anyone from this forum knows cornboy personally, it might be a really good idea to give the authorities the heads-up that there might be a catastrophic incident soon, and that this person ignored all the warnings.

It all boils down to "survival of the fittest" so whatever happens to him and his happens, but it would be a shame if the neighbors suffer losses because of this...
 
RobbiesCornField said:
If there's no mold and no moisture, what's all of that condensation inside your tubs?
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Yes, I am curious about this as well. You JUST said there is no moisture, yet your tubs have an unhealthy amount of it.
Also, you did not even reply to my last post. Go grab a lighter, hold one to cardboard and the other to a wood. Or even better, leave the heat cable on unregulated covering both of those things. I can personally guarantee that the cardboard will ignite first. When I first started keeping snakes, I had never heard of a thermostat, so my heat sources were not regulated, and often burned out. My tubs never had any damage, nor did my aspen rack. However, the heat pad and the paper covering it had evidently caught on fire and extinguished themselves by not spreading to the aspen OR melting the plastic. But there were clear burn marks on the paper. Since cardboard is essentially just thick paper, it would have the same ignition properties. In the event of a fire, the cardboard will be the first thing to go. Plastic will burn hotter, but it has a flashpoint in it that makes it less likely to burn.
Also, cardboard makes a poor choice for a rack long term (not to mention it makes you look like you don't care about your animals, which your clearly don't, so no person with an inkling of reptile knowledge would trust buying a snake from you). Cardboard degrades over time, especially when it is exposed to heat and moisture, of which you have both. You're going to come home one day and have all those tubs scattered across the floor, and all I can say is that when it happens, I sure hope all the lids pop off those tubs so the snakes can have a better chance at survival.
 
Yep, the moisture right off the bat, is what concerns me...you can see it. Cornsnakes do not need a high humidity. That much could cause some issues with the snakes.
 
i can understand maybe doing this as a TEMPORARY and i mean TEMMMMPPPPORRAARRRYY way to save room, like unexpected clutch..no time to build rack type of space saver.. but good god i do not see how that is sturdy. just the title of this thread makes me shudder..
 
The rack works great! :)
The babies are thriving and very happy.
If anyone would like help designing one of their own, I would be happy to help.
 
CornBoy said:
The rack works great! :)
The babies are thriving and very happy.
If anyone would like help designing one of their own, I would be happy to help.
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Doubt you'll have many requests. Since, you know. Most of us actually care about our snakes.
 
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I cant help but come back to this ridiculous thread....is that a meat thermometer in one of the shoe boxes?:puke01:
 
Next thing you know each hatchling will have a busted up pick up truck, a deck chair and a pile of tiny beer cans in it's box (aka trailer). Ghetto trash indeed!
 
In all honesty, I've been in both the electrical and engineering trade for over 15 years and this is something I would never do. You've got way too many dangerous variables here; not just for your snakes but for your house. Go ask an inspector if you do not believe us.
Also, the info you provided is incorrect. Flash point of paper is around 451 degrees Fahrenheit, the flash point of (MOST) wood products STARTS around 575 degrees F, and that's after all moisture in the wood has been reduced. This does not take into consideration ink on paper or cardboard or lacquer/varnish on wood products.

You are asking for massive trouble, in the event of an accident. Electricity is not always reliable, You could have internal wiring errors in your plugs and cords that you aren't even aware of, also, you can overload your heat tape.

I am not trying to be rude in any sense of the term. I am voicing this due to my knowledge and concern for you and your animals.
I do think a safety/electrical inspector funded by your county or state can adequately provide you proper feedback if you do not want to see what we have to say here.
 
I have nothing to say about the crazy use of card board as a means of housing snakes but I love the link you posted for the snake rack Dave! I've been looking into a building a rack myself and love this picture guide!
 
Tara80 said:
In all honesty, I've been in both the electrical and engineering trade for over 15 years and this is something I would never do. You've got way too many dangerous variables here; not just for your snakes but for your house. Go ask an inspector if you do not believe us.
Also, the info you provided is incorrect. Flash point of paper is around 451 degrees Fahrenheit, the flash point of (MOST) wood products STARTS around 575 degrees F, and that's after all moisture in the wood has been reduced. This does not take into consideration ink on paper or cardboard or lacquer/varnish on wood products.

You are asking for massive trouble, in the event of an accident. Electricity is not always reliable, You could have internal wiring errors in your plugs and cords that you aren't even aware of, also, you can overload your heat tape.

I am not trying to be rude in any sense of the term. I am voicing this due to my knowledge and concern for you and your animals.
I do think a safety/electrical inspector funded by your county or state can adequately provide you proper feedback if you do not want to see what we have to say here.
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OK! :)
There's a post I'll answer to, thanks for your civility, it's a breath of fresh air!

Since you mentioned qualifications, I've been an engineer for 26 years, besides other things. I have all the tools and even a lot of the materials on hand to make a rack out whatever material I choose. Even metal or masonry. I didn't choose cardboard as a last resort, I assessed my needs, my time, and my expense.

You're point is well taken on the different flash points of paper and wood. However, I'd like to remind you that there is another major component, the plastic tubs. And some use plastic as a rack material. The melting point of plastics is significantly lower than any of the above mentioned temperatures.

In the event of an overheating incident, the chain of events would be, heat source overheats, bad things start happening to snakes, plastic tubs melt, worse things happen to snakes, rack burns.

That would be the SAME order of events for paper OR wood. The marginal difference in the flash time would already be after the damage was done.

No-one has a problem with the safety of the plastic component, so why go beyond the point of that?

And thanks, our house circuits are in order, none of the problems you mentioned! :)
 
CornBoy said:
OK! :)

You're point is well taken on the different flash points of paper and wood.

:)
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Now this is just a sticking point, but I assume that most engineers are very well educated people, at least the ones I met have been.
So how can you not know the difference between a possessive "your" and a contraction for you are, "you're".
They have two entirely different meanings!

I mean what you literally just said was "You are point is well taken on the different flash points of paper and wood".
 
I'd Like a few more Pics of this rack system.....I'd also like to know if you keep your mice & Gerbils in cardboard boxes as well? Would it not have been easier to just stack the tubs on top of one another?? Piece of wood behind the stack of tubs with heat cable attached and regulated??
 
The truly amazing thing is, if ALL of us are wrong and he is right no harm comes to us, our animals, our homes, our families......

But if ALL of us are right and he is wrong....well still no harm comes to us, our animals, our homes or our families.....
 
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