peach hypo what do you think it should be called

Since they can't be linked directly in with HTML, the two existing pics are attached.

The first one is Rich Hume's specimen as a hatchling. The parents proved to be carrying AT LEAST Diffused, Hypo, Amel, Caramel, Lavender, and Charcoal.

The second pic was taken by someone else and posted here. If I've understood correctly, this is the same individual at approx 1 year old.

Vinman said:

Jazz , let me start off with I have nothing agenst you. I said I could have locked up this thread but did not because i didnot want to mess up the poll. If I could done so I would have I only put this up for a poll. The fact your comment that the ball is not in my court is the point . Who are you to tell anybody what they should name any morph that they worked on. Take a step back and look at it from my point of veiw. How would you like it if it was said to you . I think that it was out of line. Sorry but no one has told anybody that you dont have the choice in what to name a morph they created. I still will defend what I said it was nice of me to start this poll. I started this poll just to get some feedback, thats all. I did not start this poll so someone can tell me what is should be called and it is not in my control. how dare anybody to have that gaul to do that. no one told or question bill love whet he coind the name ghost or eddie leach when he called his morph and a gene I made add a blodred or Joe e peirce went from transparent to lava and all the other morphs out there but for me it is diffrent Bull pucky

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Vinman,
Before you recently returned I had nothing against you, but after reading your threads from the past couple of days, this is the picture I get in my head when I see your name...

It's a shame there isn't a head shot of the second corn so the pattern could be compared. There does seem to be a little diffusion on its saddles' lower edges. I guess Rich Humes' input would be helpful too at this point.

Vinman said:

If I'm not misteaen when I told Rich Z about the cross I did ( if he remembers ) I think that he crossed a carmel to a lavender and got nothing came out of it . I could be misstaken Rich Z can you clear it up. I'm not totaly sure??? please put your input

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He obviously would have gotten Normals het for Amber Lavender. Amber Lavenders wouldn't have shown up until the F2.

Vinman said:

Rich humes or me can name it what ever we want . nobody in the past ask any body permission before . rich and me are the only two people that have produced the morph we have the only 3 in the hobby . So by all means we will chose the name The poll is just to get everybodys oppion .Let me make this clear to everbody. I will discuss the out come with rich humes and we will come to a discussion. It is our ball .

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Glad to see you're makin' friends Vinster!! :crazy02: You can take your '$1000 per snake ball' and go play by yourself for all I care. I already told you that even if Rich Z. were selling the snakes I am one customer that would not be buying if he couldn't/wouldn't be able to verify what it's genetics are. That is the ball you are holding. Your attempts at explaining and verifying are what has been in question this entire time, not the genetics. Your customer service is severly lacking, beyond downright rude and obnoxious. Good luck with that!

D80

PS. I abstained from voting as I think Don's opinion is right on target in this case and carries much more weight than many others'.

Vin. . .

Could you show us pix of some of the other adults? If this one represents the "morph", I don't think peach is the correct namesake.

Again, before you name it PLEASE, make sure the name you choose represents what most of them will be at maturity. What if this one is the only one this color?

It's a beautiful snake. Have Hume get on here to verify the genetics.

Thank you.

Don
www.cornsnake.NET

Vinman said:

Rich humes or me can name it what ever we want . nobody in the past ask any body permission before . rich and me are the only two people that have produced the morph we have the only 3 in the hobby . So by all means we will chose the name The poll is just to get everybodys oppion .Let me make this clear to everbody. I will discuss the out come with rich humes and we will come to a discussion. It is our ball .

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If this hasn't already be said...

Just because you slap a name on it that YOU like doesn't mean the community will use it.

blckkat said:

If this hasn't already be said...

Just because you slap a name on it that YOU like doesn't mean the community will use it.

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It has.

regards,
jazz

diamondlil said:

It's a shame there isn't a head shot of the second corn so the pattern could be compared. There does seem to be a little diffusion on its saddles' lower edges. I guess Rich Humes' input would be helpful too at this point.

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its normal but remember it is comming out of a blood red project

I noticed when pasting from the old thread where I first posted the old pic, that I mentioned Charcoal in there:

me said:

The parents proved to be carrying AT LEAST Diffused, Hypo, Amel, Caramel, Lavender, and Charcoal.

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I don't recall if there was a charcoal, phantom, or pewter in that clutch, but I think there was a good reason at the time to say that charcoal was a possibility. It would help if Rich Hume would also verify what was the genotype of the parents.

Also, Vinny, since you hatched them out of a different pairing, did you happen to get any regular hypo lavs, or hypo charcoals in the mix? (And how many hatchlings were there in total?)

Vinman said:

If I'm not misteaen when I told Rich Z about the cross I did ( if he remembers ) I think that he crossed a carmel to a lavender and got nothing came out of it . I could be misstaken Rich Z can you clear it up. I'm not totaly sure??? please put your input

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Ok, I ran some searches on this and came up with the following: (The links have pics in them, I highly suggest everyone who is interested look at the pics there, too. )

In 2002 in this thread: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2362

Rich Z said:

I've been breeding animals het for both Opal and Butter for a couple of years now and getting some nice results. Of course, I can't tell which ones may be triple homozygous animals (Amelanism, Caramel, and Lavender). So that means I have to keep a bunch of them to raise them up just to see what they turn out looking like.

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This year in this thread: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37750

Rich Z said:

OK, so when you breed adults together that are het for Hypomelanism, Amelanism, Lavender, and Caramel, what the heck kind of results do you get?

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I think the guess we can make from those is that Rich Z is not getting that same "peach" look from his projects. Surely in all these years they should have shown up, unless he doesn't want to say anything yet.

Anyway, I think the "Charcoal Caramel" possibility would be something to re-examine unless there's a way to positively eliminate it. :crazy02:

Drizzt80 said:

He obviously would have gotten Normals het for Amber Lavender. Amber Lavenders wouldn't have shown up until the F2.

Glad to see you're makin' friends Vinster!! :crazy02: You can take your '$1000 per snake ball' and go play by yourself for all I care. I already told you that even if Rich Z. were selling the snakes I am one customer that would not be buying if he couldn't/wouldn't be able to verify what it's genetics are. That is the ball you are holding. Your attempts at explaining and verifying are what has been in question this entire time, not the genetics. Your customer service is severly lacking, beyond downright rude and obnoxious. Good luck with that!

D80

PS. I abstained from voting as I think Don's opinion is right on target in this case and carries much more weight than many others'.

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Drizzt80 said:

He obviously would have gotten Normals het for Amber Lavender. Amber Lavenders wouldn't have shown up until the F2.

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I never said that. I said that he crossed a carmel to a lavender . and I was talking about the end rusults the F2 from breeding het to het. you are a very bitter man drizz

Serp, Rich Humes breeders and mine both came from the one cross I did 3 years ago. hypo lavender bloodred to a amber. her is a coppy of my add it explaines what I produced.
3 YEARS AGO I BRED A MALE HYPO LAVENDER BLOORRED HET FOR CHARCOAL GOST. TO A FEMALE AMBER HET FOR BUTTER AND KEPT BACK 1.2 HYPO'S FROM THE CLUTCH. THESE HYPO'S ARE MY BREEDER ADULTS THAT MAKE THE PEACH HYPO. I PRODUCED TWO PEACH HYPO FEMALES , THREE AMBER FEMALES ,TWO HYPO BLOODRED MALES , ONE AMBER BLOODRED MALE , THREE HYPO LAVENDER BLOODREDS TWO MALES AND ONE FEMALE AND A BUNCH OF HYPO'S . THE PARENTS ARE 1.2 HYPO MULTI HETS . THEY ARE HET FOR HYPO BLOODRED , AMBER , HYPO LAVENDER , POSSIBLE HET FOR CHARCOAL GHOST , AMEL. I'M KEEPING THE SUPER HIGH END MORPHS. I SELLING THE REST OF THE CLUTCH AND THE ADULTS. ALL HATCHLINGS NO MATTER WHAT MORPH THEY ARE POSSIBLE HET FOR ANY OR ALL OF THESE GENES
ALL HATCHLING'S ARE FEEDING ON F.T. FUZZYS ON THEIR OWN. THE ADULTS ARE FEEDING F.T. ADULT MICE. NONE OF THE SNAKES ADULTS OR HATCHLNG'S HAVE NEVER BEEN FORCE FED OR SCENTED TO GET THEM STARTED.
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Vinman said:

Rich humes or me can name it what ever we want . nobody in the past ask any body permission before... So by all means we will chose the name....It is our ball

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Vinman,

It appears you are a little outnumberd here. I'm willing to bet that you can call it what ever the heck you want ...

HOWEVER......

just because you call it one thing does not mean when others produce it the name won't change. Besides, with your attitude I would not be surprised if people changed the name on purpose... :sidestep:

Vinman said:

Joe e peirce went from transparent to lava and all the other morphs out there but for me it is diffrent Bull pucky

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I don't think the change of transparent to lava was that fast and easy. Look at the threads here on the forum. It is probably the first snake that was named due to the people here putting in their 2 cents. I called them Lavas and Joe called them Transparent Hypos. After much discussion, we know what the outcome was. Ultramel was another name that blossomed here and took shape. I'm sure there will be more to come.

I don't feel that there is enough information to vote. I've not seen any pictures of an adult of this supposed new morph, and have only seen two pics - 1 of a hatchling and one of a yearling. Have there been any threads started on the progression of the color changes in the animals in question?

I've seen it asked/mentioned several times already in this thread: What breeding trials have been performed or if the animals in question are too young, what breeding trials are planned to prove out the genetics of the snake(s) in question?

I've read and attempted to comprehend numerous threads related to this, though I've not responded to any but this one. One thing that all the threads in question seem to have in common is that you keep posting the information that you start whining, yelling (all caps), and putting down everyone who questions you. You also start repeating the same things over and over again, but you never really answer any of the direct questions that have been directed to you.

You have stated that you know all of the pertinent information regarding the history of the animals in question, yet you don't seem very willing to present that information in a clear and calm manner. You act as though you are the only person whose opinion truly matters and if that is how you feel why start a poll to begin with?

This whole forum is dedicated to the discussion of all things related to corn snakes - whether it is about the basic care that corns need to be provided with, health issues that pertain to corn snakes, or new information regarding the genetics of corn snakes. In general, discussion lead to debates because everyone views the information provided differently.

Why does a debate on the topic at hand cause you to lose your temper and start calling poeple names and railing against everyone whose opinions differ from your own? And I still don't understand how you can become angered by the fact that people are expressing their opinions, which I might add you specifically asked for when you posted the poll, just because there isn't a mad scramble to support your opinions.

I really don't understand the logic behind your arguments and your attacks on other forum members. It would also be benficial if you were to post your information in such a way that it would be easier to read and understand.

Jenn

Opps, I just realized that this paragraph is missing a bit of information from my last post.

I've read and attempted to comprehend numerous threads related to this, though I've not responded to any but this one. One thing that all the threads in question seem to have in common is that you keep posting the information that you start whining, yelling (all caps), and putting down everyone who questions you. You also start repeating the same things over and over again, but you never really answer any of the direct questions that have been directed to you.

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It should read: I've read and attempted to comprehend numerous threads related to this, though I've not responded to any but this one. One thing that all the threads in question seem to have in common is that you keep posting the same obscure information and then you start whining, yelling (all caps), and putting down everyone when that information is questioned. You also start repeating the same things over and over again, but you never really answer any of the direct questions that have been directed to you.


Sorry, but I was distracted at the moment I typed that out.

Jenn

I am merely guessing here...

But I am pretty positive Rich Z has already produced some "known" Amber Lavenders and Caramel Lavenders that he has raised to adult age. Otherwise I do not see why he would have sold a large group of Hypo het Caramel & Lavender and Normal het Amber & Lavender adults in this years adult sale. I myself bought three. He sold them fairly cheap too.

Vinman, I am still figuring out why you keep on saying people tell you what you should do... some people just post to explain their choice in the vote. I did not see anyone telling you what you should do, yet you tell all of us to not try to discuss it or you will close the poll.... yay, you are TREATHING us! Oh Vinman, please don't do that, I am sooo scared not to be able to give my vote for this, it would ruin my life! :eek1: :eek1: :eek1:

I vote for Vinniecorn, is that enough honor? :grin01:

oops, THREATENING of course...

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Blutengel again.

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I tried.


Jenn

Mrs InsaneOne said:

I tried.


Jenn

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Aw, thank you! I'll just note it in my diary!

Blutengel said:

Vinman, I am still figuring out why you keep on saying people tell you what you should do... some people just post to explain their choice in the vote. I did not see anyone telling you what you should do, yet you tell all of us to not try to discuss it or you will close the poll.... yay, you are TREATHING us! Oh Vinman, please don't do that, I am sooo scared not to be able to give my vote for this, it would ruin my life! :eek1: :eek1: :eek1:

I vote for Vinniecorn, is that enough honor? :grin01:

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you are so misinformed nobody said that I was gona close the thread I said that If I had a choice that I would have closed the thread when I first posted it up because All I wanted was a poll not a thread. And if you read the thread carfuly you would have seen where people told me what to do that is wasen't my choice.Nobody is threating any body . man talk about misinformed.
Mrs InsaneOne your name says it all the post in all caps is my add from the forsale sec. I copyed and pasted it know yelling in other posts there one or two words