BUF gene

Originally Posted by mike17l

Peer Reviewed? Statistical Confirmation? Scientific Circles? ... Rule out caramel. Has not been done.

Caramel and caramel-based morphs are a particular interest of mine. As a result of that interest - not to mention my interest in genetics - I read and re-read all the "buf" threads laboriously. And it WAS laborious.

I'd love to agree with the.....I have to call it a statement, because it is NOT a conclusion that buf was ever proven to separate and distinct from caramel. My scientific training and my common sense both say I can't agree. No evidence has been presented to support this, and it would be easy to prove or disprove this point.

If my students were try to argue the validity of a point that could be so easily proven or disproven, and they did not perform that easy test, they would fail the assignment. Period.

I haven't yet seen the 2010 Morph Guide or a direct quote from it about buf. I'll thus remain mute on that topic except to say that if buf is referred to as "proven," I hope there's more evidence for it than I've seen in the threads I've read. The evidence as presented does not rule out caramel. That would have been an much easier cross to do than some that were actually performed.

Concerning Buf, it says..."It has been test bred with the caramel gene and does not act like an allele..." It doesn't have details as to when or who did the testing - you would have to ask Chuck about that.

Originally Posted by kathylove

Concerning Buf, it says..."It has been test bred with the caramel gene and does not act like an allele..." It doesn't have details as to when or who did the testing - you would have to ask Chuck about that.

Hmm... Thanks for the quote, Kathy. I for one would indeed like more specific information.

asking if he remembers who did the testing, when, and if it was confirmed by anyone else. I am not sure how soon I will get a response as he is probably busy sending out the new Guides now. But I will let you know when, and if, he responds.

Originally Posted by kathylove

you would have to ask Chuck about that.

Ill bite.


Hey Chuck, care to post anymore information? Inquiring minds want to know.


Anybody want to take bets on if he will answer?

Originally Posted by kathylove

asking if he remembers who did the testing, when, and if it was confirmed by anyone else. I am not sure how soon I will get a response as he is probably busy sending out the new Guides now. But I will let you know when, and if, he responds.

Thanks so much, Kathy. I don't know Mr. Pritzel, but I can't imagine anyone ignoring a request for info from you!

Originally Posted by Shiari

The ONLY way to check for it being a het caramel trait, is to breed it to a *caramel*. Not a butter. Not a lavender. Not a phantom, but a *caramel*.

Ok, so please tell us what a butter is. Thank you.

The information is there, if your willing to take a look at it and figure it out for yourselves. The many crosses were done to cofirm, that yes, it is what it is. The links were given in posts above. And yet people still want to sit around and make it a bashing party. Have fun. It's your site.

Originally Posted by Russell

Ok, so please tell us what a butter is. Thank you.

HAHA!! Really, that is your response? It has been breed to a butter. Great job there buddy, we knew that. We are still waiting to have "buf" breed a a caramel het (or homo for that matter) nothing. Has not been done. Remove everything else. An "orange" can still be an amel het for caramel.

Originally Posted by Russell

The information is there, if your willing to take a look at it and figure it out for yourselves. The many crosses were done to cofirm, that yes, it is what it is. The links were given in posts above. And yet people still want to sit around and make it a bashing party. Have fun. It's your site.

Until the one cross that was asked for ("buf" X caramel het/homo for nothing) is done, "buf" will never be taken seriously by the corn snake community.