PEWTER HELP NEEDED

hi guys
cos pewters are rare as rocking horse s##t in the uk, the most i can get are hets,
so this year offering are a pewter x snow hatchlings so does anyone know the genetic for this cross
1) what the baies should look like ?
2) breeding this first gen back to each other

Assuming no compatable, hidden hets, all of the babies would be:

Normals het bloodred, charcoal, amel, and anery.

Crossing two of these together would provide you with the following percentages (WT = "wild type" or normal):



Het. blood, Het. amel, Het. anery, Het. charcoal,
x
Het. blood, Het. amel, Het. anery, Het. charcoal,



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0.390625% WT
0.78125% Het. charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Het. anery,
1.5625% Het. anery, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Het. anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous anery,
0.78125% Homozygous anery, Het. charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Het. amel,
1.5625% Het. amel, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Het. amel, Homozygous charcoal,
1.5625% Het. amel, Het. anery,
3.125% Het. amel, Het. anery, Het. charcoal,
1.5625% Het. amel, Het. anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Het. amel, Homozygous anery,
1.5625% Het. amel, Homozygous anery, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Het. amel, Homozygous anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous amel,
0.78125% Homozygous amel, Het. charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous amel, Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Homozygous amel, Het. anery,
1.5625% Homozygous amel, Het. anery, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Homozygous amel, Het. anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous amel, Homozygous anery,
0.78125% Homozygous amel, Homozygous anery, Het. charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous amel, Homozygous anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Het. blood,
1.5625% Het. blood, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Het. blood, Homozygous charcoal,
1.5625% Het. blood, Het. anery,
3.125% Het. blood, Het. anery, Het. charcoal,
1.5625% Het. blood, Het. anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Het. blood, Homozygous anery,
1.5625% Het. blood, Homozygous anery, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Het. blood, Homozygous anery, Homozygous charcoal,
1.5625% Het. blood, Het. amel,
3.125% Het. blood, Het. amel, Het. charcoal,
1.5625% Het. blood, Het. amel, Homozygous charcoal,
3.125% Het. blood, Het. amel, Het. anery,
6.25% Het. blood, Het. amel, Het. anery, Het. charcoal,
3.125% Het. blood, Het. amel, Het. anery, Homozygous charcoal,
1.5625% Het. blood, Het. amel, Homozygous anery,
3.125% Het. blood, Het. amel, Homozygous anery, Het. charcoal,
1.5625% Het. blood, Het. amel, Homozygous anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Het. blood, Homozygous amel,
1.5625% Het. blood, Homozygous amel, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Het. blood, Homozygous amel, Homozygous charcoal,
1.5625% Het. blood, Homozygous amel, Het. anery,
3.125% Het. blood, Homozygous amel, Het. anery, Het. charcoal,
1.5625% Het. blood, Homozygous amel, Het. anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Het. blood, Homozygous amel, Homozygous anery,
1.5625% Het. blood, Homozygous amel, Homozygous anery, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Het. blood, Homozygous amel, Homozygous anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous blood,
0.78125% Homozygous blood, Het. charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous blood, Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Homozygous blood, Het. anery,
1.5625% Homozygous blood, Het. anery, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Homozygous blood, Het. anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous blood, Homozygous anery,
0.78125% Homozygous blood, Homozygous anery, Het. charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous blood, Homozygous anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Homozygous blood, Het. amel,
1.5625% Homozygous blood, Het. amel, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Homozygous blood, Het. amel, Homozygous charcoal,
1.5625% Homozygous blood, Het. amel, Het. anery,
3.125% Homozygous blood, Het. amel, Het. anery, Het. charcoal,
1.5625% Homozygous blood, Het. amel, Het. anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Homozygous blood, Het. amel, Homozygous anery,
1.5625% Homozygous blood, Het. amel, Homozygous anery, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Homozygous blood, Het. amel, Homozygous anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous blood, Homozygous amel,
0.78125% Homozygous blood, Homozygous amel, Het. charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous blood, Homozygous amel, Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Homozygous blood, Homozygous amel, Het. anery,
1.5625% Homozygous blood, Homozygous amel, Het. anery, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Homozygous blood, Homozygous amel, Het. anery, Homozygous charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous blood, Homozygous amel, Homozygous anery,
0.78125% Homozygous blood, Homozygous amel, Homozygous anery, Het. charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous blood, Homozygous amel, Homozygous anery, Homozygous charcoal

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That quadruple homozygous animal there . . . the odds of breeding it from hets is 1 in 256. At an average of ten viable eggs per clutch, even if you're double clutching every single year, it would take nearly 13 years to see one show up, and THAT'S just statistically speaking! It might never appear at all . . .

Have fun!

hi i have got a pewter x ghost male if i put him with a female pewter x snow

what would the be the chances of gettting any pewters and what would i get

thanks

Again, assuming no compatable hets (beyond bloodred, charcoal, and anery), the percentages would be the following:

Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. anery, Het. hypo,
x
Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel,



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0.390625% WT
0.390625% Het. hypo,
0.390625% Het. amel,
0.390625% Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. anery,
0.78125% Het. anery, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. anery, Het. amel,
0.78125% Het. anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous anery,
0.390625% Homozygous anery, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous anery, Het. amel,
0.390625% Homozygous anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Het. charcoal, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. charcoal, Het. amel,
0.78125% Het. charcoal, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
1.5625% Het. charcoal, Het. anery,
1.5625% Het. charcoal, Het. anery, Het. hypo,
1.5625% Het. charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel,
1.5625% Het. charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. charcoal, Homozygous anery,
0.78125% Het. charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. amel,
0.78125% Het. charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous charcoal, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous charcoal, Het. amel,
0.390625% Homozygous charcoal, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Homozygous charcoal, Het. anery,
0.78125% Homozygous charcoal, Het. anery, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Homozygous charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel,
0.78125% Homozygous charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous charcoal, Homozygous anery,
0.390625% Homozygous charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. amel,
0.390625% Homozygous charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. bloodred,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Het. amel,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Het. anery,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Het. anery, Het. hypo,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Het. anery, Het. amel,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Het. anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Homozygous anery,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Homozygous anery, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Homozygous anery, Het. amel,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Homozygous anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. hypo,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. amel,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
3.125% Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. anery,
3.125% Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. anery, Het. hypo,
3.125% Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel,
3.125% Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Homozygous anery,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. hypo,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. amel,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Het. charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Homozygous charcoal,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. amel,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. anery,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. anery, Het. hypo,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel,
1.5625% Het. bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Homozygous anery,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. amel,
0.78125% Het. bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Het. amel,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Het. anery,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Het. anery, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Het. anery, Het. amel,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Het. anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous anery,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous anery, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous anery, Het. amel,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Het. charcoal,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. amel,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
1.5625% Homozygous bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. anery,
1.5625% Homozygous bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. anery, Het. hypo,
1.5625% Homozygous bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel,
1.5625% Homozygous bloodred, Het. charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Het. charcoal, Homozygous anery,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Het. charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Het. charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. amel,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Het. charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous charcoal,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. amel,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. anery,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. anery, Het. hypo,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel,
0.78125% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Het. anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Homozygous anery,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. hypo,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. amel,
0.390625% Homozygous bloodred, Homozygous charcoal, Homozygous anery, Het. amel, Het. hypo


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Before this thread goes crazy with folks posting their own "what if" questions, here is a genetics calulator that I sometimes use:

http://www.geneticswizard.com/f_start_genetics_wizard.asp


It only does up to six genes at a time, but you can cheat a little by combining genes into known morphs, if the animal is homozygous for them (ie: homozygous opal is homozygous for both amel and lavender).

Have fun!

And it is a great time waster!

I have plugged around for what seemed like hours with that program. You can get real creative.

To simplify things...

With

het blood/charcoal/anery/hypo X
het blood/charcoal/anery/amel

your odds on a pewter are 1 in 16 per egg.

The good news: it appears that charcoal masks anery, so any of them who also pick up the anery gene (1/4th of the pewters) will likely be indistinguishable from pewters.

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And with two offspring from snow X pewter:

het blood/charcoal/anery/amel X
het blood/charcoal/anery/amel

your odds on pewter are 3 in 64 per egg. (slightly less than 1 in 16)

The reason is that 1/4th of the individuals who pick up the charcoal and bloodred genes (1/16th or 4/64ths) will also pick up the amel gene, and those obviously won't look like pewters.

thank you guys for the replies and i have decided not to go with these hets ,