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Opinions on WC

Do you agree with wild catching corns?

  • Yes

    Votes: 88 60.3%

  • No

    Votes: 58 39.7%
  • Total voters
    146
Itsnowingcorns

Itsnowingcorns

Stuffy Brit
OK I finally plucked up the courage to start this thread :D
I want to know everyone's views on catching wild corns, it's wrong I tell you, wrong!!
 
I feel it really depends what you are talking about here. There are more than one scenario.

I do not agree with collecting hundreds or thousands (just a random number) of anything, not only cornsnakes, and wholesaleing them on the open market.

This is where my opinion differs though. If you live in an area or know someone that does, where cornsnakes thrive in the wild. I see catching, housing and propegating "SOME" wild snakes as "new blood". In all actuality, I think it makes our lines stronger in the long run!

Locale Okeetee's are a great example! And even though I haven't seen Chip on this forum in a long time, I will use him as an example as well.

Chip Bridge's has one of the top lines of locale Okeetee's out there, in my opinion. He collects corns from the Okeetee Hunt Club property and breeds the best looking ones together to produce some phenominal offspring! They are all true locale specimens and they are just stunning!

I think this goes both ways. Of course it's only my opinion.
 
Personally, I think it's fine as long as laws / regulations are being followed for whatever area they are being collected in.

For example, in Pennsylvania, I know I am allowed to catch and keep up to two Eastern Milk Snakes. I am NOT allowed to sell them or even to breed them and sell the offspring. If I would purchase a CB Eastern Milk from a breeder, I need documentation to prove that I did indeed purchase a CB animal and didn't just go out and collect one from the wild in PA.

People need to be aware of the laws in their area and follow them.
 
This is the problem, no matter how much people talk to me about the good of WC I just can't accept it. No I wouldn't have my lovely corns now if they had never been wild caught in the first place. No we wouldn't see all the beautiful colour morphs. No our knowledge of these wonderful creatures would never have become what it is today. But I can't help it, corns in the wild can be left alone now can't they? We've got our captive ones, can't we just leave the wild ones to be wild?
 
I am sorry, but if you don't except it take up a new hobby. You can sing a sad song all you want but it wont stop anything. :sobstory: You are a hypocrite IMHO if you keep corns but are against the collection of WC snakes. Again this is MY OPINION. :puke01:
 
Call me a hypocrite if you will, I am against the collection of wild corns, are my corns wild caught? Take a look at my avatar and guess.

Edit: Sorry looking back on that post just want to say I am not meaning to sound rude. I don't want to get into any petty little arguments here.
 
I think Quigs "hit the nail on the head" with this one.
There is an increasing need for new bloodlines in this hobby.
Remember where all the captives came from.
We wouldn't even be talking about this if Dr Bechtel never collected those snakes years ago.
And now I'm plucking up the courage to ask, why you feel so strongly about this, being in the UK
 
Itsnowingcorns said:
Call me a hypocrite if you will, I am against the collection of wild corns, are my corns wild caught? Take a look at my avatar and guess.
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Where do you think all the CB corns came from? Do you think they just appeared one day?
no matter how much people talk to me about the good of WC I just can't accept it
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So why did you start up this thread anyway? You even said you just can't accept it so why did you start this thread? You want to have "petty" arguments about it?
it's wrong I tell you, wrong!!
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You expect me to take you seriously when you won't even accept others views or opinions? :shrugs:
I don't know what it is but most of the people who post on forums like this wonderful one really have differing opinions about what I do and quite a few people do here in the U.S., Example: I have kingsnakes, I had a few corns to cull so I fed them to my kings, only one person from the UK had anything good to say about it and most of the people from here in the US and Canada were fine with it, just one of many differences you have to accept and I do but I can't help to comment about it when people come here and state irrational things like you.
 
Oh well excuse me CrazyCorn, if you'll notice I do know how we got corns and I said I understand about that! I said I feel it's not fair to catch them anymore since we've got captive ones now. Of course I value your opinions, I'm sorry for getting so defensive, you're right about me being so stupid and I sincerely apoligize. I wanted to see if there was any good reason for catching wild corns now, and wanted to see if anyone agreed with me too. CrazyCorn I feel you are attacking me a little too much, at least give me chance to explain myself. I would write more but I'm tired and going to bed, (6 hours ahead here in the terrible UK), oh on that note of the UK, there's no need to be so prejudiced like that. Can we STOP this argument now before it gets stupid. Goodnight.
 
"prejudiced" I am not, just an observation, I never said you were stupid I just meant that if you can't accept others views such as on the topic of catching corns then why post a thread on it, just to try and make others feel they are wrong and should stop all collecting of all corns? I would have never gotten started in this hobby 5 years ago if it weren't for me moving to an area abundant with corns, my first 3 corns were WC, I still keep them to this day, there are alot of variance in wild corns and I find the more beautiful than CB corns myself, their is not a real epidemic right now of mass poaching of wild corns since there are so many CB out there now. Alot of people I speak to started out with WC corns and thats what got this hobby going like it is, I still hear story's from younger and older people who find a corn and fall in love with to the point they come to the petshop I work at to buy it tons of goodies and buy 1 or 2 more CB corn since they like them so much, I do not see how you could be against this but I accept your views.
 
Wc

As it has been stated, it is wrong for the commercial collection of corn snakes but also as stated, if the laws allow and the snakes are there I have absolutely no problem with a person catching a nice corn snake, rat snake, king snake or any number of other species, and taking that specimen home as a pet.
In my area there are only a few people who even keep snakes. That number is growing thanks to the strides taken in captive care and breeding but of the few in this area that keep snakes an even lower number would actually take the time or make the effort to find and catch a wild snake. I honestly do not see the numbers being depleated by this random acquisition of wild specimens.
If loss of habitat and other factors cause the numbers to decrease and protections are placed, then obviously they should not be taken but as long as this isn't the case, why not?

By the way... I would like to hear the answer to the question posted a couple of threads up.
Why are you so hell bent against it when you are in the UK. Not even any corn snakes there.
 
I follow the same philosophy on wild caught snakes that I do with fish - catch and release. I love to hunt / catch wild non-venomous snakes and take pictures. Then I let them go. Of course, around here I do not know of any wild populations of corns.
 
I personally do not see the harm in a wild caught corn or two. As long as it is in a sustainable population. If you wanted to catch a new jersey locale corn than no way but down where they thrive and do well, all the power. Well said quigs!
 
I have to agree with Quigs as well. I don't advocate catching wild corns in mass numbers, but where they are native and thriving, I would not have a problem with catching one myself (actually I'd be thrilled to see one here, all I've seen are black rats) and eventually breeding it with my cbs. The odds of hatchlings' survival in the wild aren't exactly high to begin with. Many more deer are shot here every year than could ever come close to a herper collecting a wild corn or two. :wavey:
 
OK, to those who say why am I bothered because I'm in the UK, it doesn't matter where I live, WC is still happening, so I care. IMO catching and putting them back is fine, I just don't like the idea of keeping them in a cage if they were born in the wild. I accept EVERYBODY'S opinion, and I never said I didn't.
Example: I have kingsnakes, I had a few corns to cull so I fed them to my kings, only one person from the UK had anything good to say about it and most of the people from here in the US and Canada were fine with it
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What are you trying to say here? Are they not entitled to their opinion even if they did disagree with what you did?
Now, the final question, does ANYBODY agree with me? (Most likely not)
 
I do not think that is that nobody agrees with you. The poll proves it. I think that the pro componet of this question is just more vocal. But healthy debate is what keeps the world going on anyway.
 
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