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The Weird Story of an Hermaphrodite Snake ?
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Old 05-01-2019, 01:05 PM   #1
Zigia
Question The Weird Story of an Hermaphrodite Snake ?

Okay, hello everyone, I'm new here, and I actually need help for a lot of stuff.

It's a kinda long story.

In 2012 bought a 80cm male albinos corn snake with the following stuff :

- 90x45x45cm enclosure
- heat lamp + heat mat
- 2 hides
- water bowl
- Snake Bedding substrate

Temperatures : hot spot - 28°C day and 24°C night
cold spot - 24°C day and 22°C night

After one year, in 2013, he started acting weirdly at spring (being super active and not eating) and had scratches on his neck so I got him to the vet. That vet confirmed it was a male, so it was a normal behavior because he was looking for a mate and surely scratched himself like that. He started eating again few days after that, and everything was fine.

For the next years, everything went okay, he never got sick, nor had a weird behavior, he never met another snake neither and nothing changed until few month ago.

I must say I moved to Paris with my snake for my studies and I'm wondering if the stress or different environment is a cause...

Since 25/03, he refused eating again and was still super active, so I guessed "well okay it's spring". But also he started making noise while breathing and he sneezed a lot. So I started being really vigilent about it, and checked him everyday before calling the vet. He shed on 22/04 and was again very active :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers...gneeeeeeee.gif (it is him)

Few days after that, he started having some strange behavior I never observed before : he was always expanded, lifted his head and spent much time in water. Which, as far as I know, are stuff they do when something hurt them.

So I called the vet monday and i have an appointment for tomorrow (02/05)

But a lot of things happened between monday and now, otherwize I wouldn't be here.
Few hours after I called the vet, I discovered in his terrarium something i never ever saw before :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers...430-022110.jpg

I couldn't believe it but it was a fu@ç8ég egg, right...
And there were two of this
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers...81992192-n.jpg

Well, I assumed it was probably a female and thought his behavior was normal for a female who wants to lay eggs.
So in middle of night I built a laying box with a shoes box, tape and moss i have for millipedes, i put the snake inside and he stayed.

And the next day I got this :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers...97-capture.png

So, well okay in fact my snake was a female all along or what. Also, is this normal for her to lay eggs only now, after 7 years, and not before ?

After she apparently finished to lay all of this, I wanted to take out the eggs, and got curious to candle them...

and... wtf :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers...20-unknown.png

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers...54247680-n.png

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers...70758912-n.png

So.
In the middle of night (again), I started building an incubator, with stuff I had again (a drawer, the heat mat of terrarium, and boxes for food)
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers...501-015609.jpg
the temperature is now stabilized at 28°C and i dunno for humidity.

I looked at them today
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers...501-073905.jpg

I learned that slugs can have embryos or veins inside but they won't develop. Actually a lot of the eggs look yellow but almost 10 of them had veins/red points inside so i don't know what to think/what to do.

So, you people, do you think all of these are dead or should i keep trying incubating ?

Thanks for reading all of this...
 
Old 05-01-2019, 05:32 PM   #2
Twolunger
This is quite interesting, but I'm wondering how the vet determined the sex of the corn? If the probing method was used the sex would be obvious. If the sex was determined by visual inspection, mistakes can be made. I only know of one snake that is parthenogenetic and that is the Brahminy Blind snake. But if you do a search on this forum you will find some interesting posts regarding parthenogenetics. If I had the eggs I'd continue incubating them.
 
Old 05-01-2019, 06:27 PM   #3
Zigia
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Originally Posted by Twolunger View Post
This is quite interesting, but I'm wondering how the vet determined the sex of the corn? If the probing method was used the sex would be obvious. If the sex was determined by visual inspection, mistakes can be made. I only know of one snake that is parthenogenetic and that is the Brahminy Blind snake. But if you do a search on this forum you will find some interesting posts regarding parthenogenetics. If I had the eggs I'd continue incubating them.
I remember he used the popping technique to check her.
 
Old 05-01-2019, 07:35 PM   #4
Twolunger
I have 2 males and a female that were popped by experienced snake breeders. The two males were supposed to be females and the female was supposed to be a male. Shame on me for not checking them until they were near breeding size. At least the males are outstanding color morphs. If I sell a sub-adult or unproven adult now I probe them. Good luck with the eggs. There is more good reading regarding how long sperm is viable, if a female was bred as a young snake and a year or more has passed.
 
Old 05-01-2019, 11:34 PM   #5
Shiari
Most of those eggs are definitely duds. There's only 3 possibly good eggs in that group that I can see.
 

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