Stargazing

Tim, no disrespect intended but I am totally confused as to what "secretive injections of Flagyl" is all about. I know what Flagyl is but otherwise I'm lost.

BTW I know you wouldn't engage in any coverups. If you find any gazers in your colony, you'll be honest about it. That's one reason why I know I will end up buying snakes from you sooner or later!

Whats up??



Semi stimulated but intently focused..



Concentrating on the meal at hand..




Betsy, XYC breeder isn't the only one that works on Stargazers.. Although they can certainly make a sale...

Tim, no disrespect intended but I am totally confused as to what "secretive injections of Flagyl" is all about. I know what Flagyl is but otherwise I'm lost.

Flagyl of course is intended to treat some serious infections, you know that yourself.. At some point there will be more clarification, caveat emptor.

Cute pictures! It appears that the weirdness doesn't impair the usual cornsnake enthusiasm for food, or their enjoyment of life.

I dunno who XYC is though. I've talked via PMs to a couple people who are trying to be sure they don't have any het SGs in their lines accidentally but they aren't big names or anything.

Since there's actually some activity in this thread, I have a few SG questions. I started a thread in the behavior forum regarding 4 hatchlings from a breeding this year that were all born with neurological problems. Neither parent is known to be from sunkissed lines, but I don't have any sort of pedigree on them.

Anyways, in an effort to prevent making these odd hatchlings in the future I was trying to figure out if they ARE stargazers, or if their issues are from something else. Besides being very wobbly-headed, they all appear to have very small heads and have a splotch of saddle color as a "head pattern" (they're all stripes). Do known stargazers have ANY sort of physical differences than non-SG?

Originally Posted by TandJ

Flagyl of course is intended to treat some serious infections, you know that yourself.. At some point there will be more clarification, caveat emptor.

Yeah, I know what it's good for in humans & quadrupeds. Truly, though, I can only guess what it would be used for in herps.

Originally Posted by cobained

Since there's actually some activity in this thread, I have a few SG questions. I started a thread in the behavior forum regarding 4 hatchlings from a breeding this year that were all born with neurological problems. Neither parent is known to be from sunkissed lines, but I don't have any sort of pedigree on them.

Anyways, in an effort to prevent making these odd hatchlings in the future I was trying to figure out if they ARE stargazers, or if their issues are from something else. Besides being very wobbly-headed, they all appear to have very small heads and have a splotch of saddle color as a "head pattern" (they're all stripes). Do known stargazers have ANY sort of physical differences than non-SG?

I don't think so. The pictures & videos I've seen all have normal head sizes for age, and most have been sunkissed so have had the SK head pattern. Tim probably knows more than me though.

Small heads would suggest various developmental causes in mammals. And if the brain doesn't develop properly the head winds up small and the mammal has various neurological problems including possibly coordination issues. My guess, if their heads are small, they aren't SGs they have some other neurological problem, which could be genetic or could be due to incubation.

Any info on possible incubation issues like temp spikes or low temps? Are the parents siblings? (That would suggest some other Mendelian recessive weirdness that causes microcephaly rather than SG.).

Do known stargazers have ANY sort of physical differences than non-SG?

Not that I have personally seen...

Truly, though, I can only guess what it would be used for in herps.

It has a different name in the Vet World.. Now, if I am not mistaken, its a hell of a dewormer/parasite remover, likely encountered by poor conditions..

Regards.. Tim of T and J in a subtle mood..

I don't know about worms, but it works great on a range of intestinal parasites & bacteria in mammals. Giardia would be a great example of a parasite that it kills.