Whats the deal!

ghosthousecorns said:

Posting your political opinion on a cornsnake forum isn't really going to change the world and doesn't make everyone who does so a patriot and a freedom fighter. All it does is alienate others.

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You ever wander if people that support the second amendment don't really care if they alienate members of a group that support taking away our rights to self defense and making us slaves to the ruling class? I don't mean the people on the fence - when need them to vote for freedom and not against it. I mean the people who see us as completely wrong and can't be corrected.

For example, I don't care if a member of PETA gets mad at me for deer hunting. They are already alienated from ME, so why do I care if they are alienating me in return?

I can't believe I am the only person who felt that that "good ol fashioned lynching" remark just went a bit far. There were so many other less harsh ways of saying that the current POTUS should be removed from administration. It;s one thing to have opinions in politics but when you phrase them carelessly you might lose your audience and end up with just the usual 3 or 4 yes men who always agree with you anyway.

Posting your political opinion on a cornsnake forum isn't really going to change the world and doesn't make everyone who does so a patriot and a freedom fighter. All it does is alienate others.

Not necessarily true! Your opinions will likely come from the aggregate of everything you see, hear, read, etc., over a long period of time, especially when you are young. If you are exposed to A LOT of a particular viewpoint, your own views will likely reflect that. That is exactly why the big corporations aim their commercials at children - win them over early, and they are more likely to be loyal, lifelong customers. It is not that different for proponents of a political ideology wanting to win over their customers, especially youngsters.

I bet there are a lot of CS members who never heard of a libertarian, but might have read about it in one or more discussions here. That does not mean that they will automatically BECOME one, but at least now they know there is such a thing, and it gives them options they didnt know they had. Conversely, if you see and hear the Right or Left arguments presented well, and often, you might be inclined to lean towards one of them.

So I have to disagree that people will not ever be influenced politically on a corn snake forum, or that it will always alienate them. Just depends on how it is presented, and received, at a particular time.

Well when even a mod of the forum feels the need to post a thread titled "stop the political BS" you know things were getting a little too heated. That thread by Dean a couple of days ago remember. Not that it was taken too seriously.

ghosthousecorns said:

I can't believe I am the only person who felt that that "good ol fashioned lynching" remark just went a bit far. There were so many other less harsh ways of saying that the current POTUS should be removed from administration. It;s one thing to have opinions in politics but when you phrase them carelessly you might lose your audience and end up with just the usual 3 or 4 yes men who always agree with you anyway.

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I can't comment on that. I didn't see that particular post. However, I can think of some people that DO deserve to be "set to dance," so I can't say I disagree with the unseen post, either. For example, I know of some politicians in Athens, TN, in 1946 that SHOULD have seen a rope.

ghosthousecorns said:

Posting your political opinion on a cornsnake forum isn't really going to change the world and doesn't make everyone who does so a patriot and a freedom fighter. All it does is alienate others.

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I agree! It's really not a service to post your strict political views on a Corn Snakes site, and so far hasn't seemed to enlighten anyone to the cause. It's good to have a political debate occasionally for the feedback, or just to test the waters. But as someone who feels so strongly about their beliefs, it would be more effective to bring hope, and not divide those who disagree, as you will need the majority if you really believe in the American way.
Obama is our president for this very reason. People are all angry at his policy decisions, and sometimes just because he is who he is. But he has spent a lifetime of doing actual work in the communities, running for office, and offering hope and change, rather than expecting some armchair quarterbacking to get things done. People then get over their heads with talking him down, and even insinuating threats towards him. Sometimes the best way of fighting is with your mind, not your bold language and criticism of the opposition.
Brandishing guns in a public venue isn't bravely defending your rights, it is boldly defying the will of the majority with intimidation rather than intelligence. People would love to believe there will be this glorious day in which the citizens will revolt and take back the country, but fail to see that this will never happen, and they might as well use a more intangible approach to succeed. Paper soldiers are a dime a dozen, as well as e-soldiers. It's not about power and control, it's about winning over the majority with ideas, hope, and offers of change. Obama has done this, and done this brilliantly. I may not agree with every policy, but I sure know he was still the best pick, and I trust that he will leave this country better off than it was. If not, than it is only 3+years until the next election, and the people can reassess whether they would like him to be our leader once again.

ghosthousecorns said:

Well when even a mod of the forum feels the need to post a thread titled "stop the political BS" you know things were getting a little too heated. That thread by Dean a couple of days ago remember. Not that it was taken too seriously.

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Because a moderator only moderates. He doesn't CONTROL what we can or can not say as long as it is within the guidelines of Rich's rules. (Notice the rules Dean broke in his own posts to show the humorous irony of the whole situation.) The post had no more authority than if you or I said it.

BUT, I'm sure Rich has never said anything about politicians needing to be handled roughly, so maybe that did cross the line......lol. oke:

Michael823 said:

it is boldly defying the will of the majority with intimidation rather than intelligence.

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So in your opinion, should the will of the majority always rule?

I can't believe I am the only person who felt that that "good ol fashioned lynching" remark just went a bit far.

I don't remember that particular post. I am guessing they were saying it in jest, as a sort of exaggeration? I would never post anything like that, and would not really consider it funny, either. Although I would not consider it in good taste, neither would I censor it, as long as it is not a real call to action. I don't always agree with every post I see here, but I also haven't seen very many posts that truly upset me, either. They are just opinions, some more logical, some distasteful, some I agree with, some I don't.

KJUN said:

I can't comment on that. I didn't see that particular post. However, I can think of some people that DO deserve to be "set to dance," so I can't say I disagree with the unseen post, either. For example, I know of some politicians in Athens, TN, in 1946 that SHOULD have seen a rope.

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Not sure which politicians, but that was a different era. Back then there was prejudice and no clear fairness to the American way. Now it is fair, and elections are chosen at the people's discretion. Violence and threats is primitive in this day and age, because we all have the freedoms to choose our leader. No leader nowadays won due to prejudice, lack of a fair vote, etc... So if you don't like it either run for public office, or campaign harder in 2012'.

Michael823 said:

But he has spent a lifetime of doing actual work in the communities.....

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Oh, that conman did LOTS of work. I'm just not sure how much of it was legal.

Although not overtly illegal, ever looked at what his wife made at her job following an increase in funds he pushed through? Well, her 20-hour a week job went from $100k to over $300k per year, coincidentally, as soon as he got the U the extra funds...and her job was SO IMPORTANT that they didn't even hire a replacement. Seems that $300+k job doesn't even NEED to be done. Was it a "bribe" to keep him funding them. You know, give us $1 million, and we'll line your wife's pocket with a third of it. Hmmmm, I don't know but it does sound suspicious!

Michael823 said:

it's about winning over the majority with ideas, hope, and offers of change. Obama has done this, and done this brilliantly.

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Have you even LOOKED at a recent poll of how Americans feel about what he has done so far???

Hypancistrus said:

So in your opinion, should the will of the majority always rule?

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Of course! How else should a country be lead, if not chosen by the will of the majority?

Michael823 said:

Now it is fair, and elections are chosen at the people's discretion.

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Michael823 said:

Of course! How else should a country be lead, if not chosen by the will of the majority?

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It is statements like this and beliefs like this that doom me, Tara, Robbie, Tony, and every other gay, lesbian, bisexual and transexual on the boards to a life of being 2nd class citizens. Rights that are habitually, even casually, granted to heterosexuals are denied to us based on the gender of the person we love and make a home with.

Think about it.

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=921014&postcount=202 Just linking to the "lynching" post I found objectionable. Apparently I am just thin skinned and everyone else is OK with it.

KJUN said:

Have you even LOOKED at a recent poll of how Americans feel about what he has done so far???

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He was elected to a four year term. That means that in four years you can recast your vote for someone else if you are unhappy with the job he's doing. Polls don't mean a thing. If we went by that standard, most presidents would be impeached at some point during their tenure. The fact is that the majority voted to have him be our president, knowing darn well it was for four years. Sure they may be unhappy, disappointed, etc... But they did elect him, so that's all that matters.

Hypancistrus said:

So in your opinion, should the will of the majority always rule?

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Someone once said I'm made JUST because I was out-voted. I'm sure we can name MANY cases of genocide where the losers were just the ones that got "out-voted." That doesn't make their deaths any more real or any more tragic. In fact, it makes it MORE tragic. Majority does not always equal right.

Do you think the MAJORITY of legal voters would have voted for black and female suffrage? Of course not! This is why we have a representative system instead of a true democracy. Freedom supersedes majority votes.

Take the BOR. That is a REMINDER to the .gov that we have those rights. It doesn't GIVE us those rights, it justs states what they are. No law can take them away. No law that tries - even an amendment - is valid because those are remindes to the .gov that we HAVE them no matter WHAT they try to do at any time. THAT is the legal basis behind the treaty that bound our unique states together. Furthermore, any violation of those laws by the federal .gov is a violation of that treaty and negates all legal authority of said treaty.

The wannabe slavemasters are the ones that try to convince you otherwise.

Michael823 said:

He was elected to a four year term. That means that in four years you can recast your vote for someone else if you are unhappy with the job he's doing. Polls don't mean a thing. If we went by that standard, most presidents would be impeached at some point during their tenure. The fact is that the majority voted to have him be our president, knowing darn well it was for four years. Sure they may be unhappy, disappointed, etc... But they did elect him, so that's all that matters.

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Pay attention to what you actually said and try to remember it for 5 minutes. You said, "it's about winning over the majority with ideas, hope, and offers of change. Obama has done this, and done this brilliantly." Polls have nothing to do with past elections, but they definitely DO SHOW that your state4ment is false. He may HAVE done that, but he is NOT doing it now.

Trust me - I don't need to "recast" my vote. It'll be the same vote next time (if we are allowed a free election): I'll vote against that red communist with a smile!

Hypancistrus said:

It is statements like this and beliefs like this that doom me, Tara, Robbie, Tony, and every other gay, lesbian, bisexual and transexual on the boards to a life of being 2nd class citizens. Rights that are habitually, even casually, granted to heterosexuals are denied to us based on the gender of the person we love and make a home with.

Think about it.

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That's not fair to pin my point to that. I was simply stating that in an election, the only deciding factor should be the majority, and the only way to fight back is by having more success in the next election.
I would never intend majority rules on subjects like that, these are human rights, and I would never suggest majority voting on this. My cousin happens to be gay, and him and his partner are two of the greatest people I know. I consider their relationship as normal, if not more normal, than most others I see.

ghosthousecorns said:

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=921014&postcount=202 Just linking to the "lynching" post I found objectionable. Apparently I am just thin skinned and everyone else is OK with it.

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OK, I did see that one. I didn't take it the way you did because she didn't say "Let's lynch him now." She said (the way I read it), "Let's lynch him later if he keeps getting worse and worse." There MAY be a point when we DO need to start hanging politicians enmass, but I don't think her post was advocating it NOW. Big difference.

...or are you saying that no matter WHAT a politician does, they never deserved to be hung. If so, what about the German War Criminals? Stalin? etc. Not Obama today but possible FUTURE-Obama? Do you think Hitler shouldn't have been held accountable with death (if captured alive) because he was voted in? I'm not saying Obama is Hitler of even like him. I'm saying WHAT IF he does become him in the future?

Michael823 said:

the only deciding factor should be the majority,

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Are you advocating the overthrow of the American constitution? You must be since that is NOT how the presidential election is decided. Oh, wait.

Never mind. I know the answer to that since we all know how you cast your ballot. uke01: