SRCORNS.COM Hatchling Thread (2015)

DuxorW said:

Could he be red factor? How many off the offspring are red? I guess it can't be distinguished by this breeding alone, because if it's red factor roughly half the offspring should be red (assuming male is het), and with redcoat it would also be 1/2 (assuming the male is homozygous and the female is het).

Here's the suspected red factor sunkissed I acquired from Walter. Her saddles are a little more red than the photo suggests. Hoping to see this coloration in some of her offspring (sorry for hijacking, Steve!).

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Haha, no worries

Very nice btw! I guess it could be RF, but I'm leaning towards RC more. Just from what I've seen in my collection. Not all of the projects I have started with the one pair of Sk's have "red" babies.:shrugs:

MysticExotics said:

That's a cool looking baby!

I have a pair of outcrossed offspring from a dark line of SK, that a friend of mine (Tara) got from Don. He got them from a guy in FL, Ward Smith.

Another friend of mine (Matt-NW Bloodlines) got a male darkline SK and paired him with a SK BR het Amel Motley.

Here's a pic of the sire, and the babies I picked up, the female first, and then the male.

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Very nice! Love that last one though.

Thanks! I love his borders!

I have wondered if RF and/or RC have made their way into SK's. It wouldn't surprise me.

Black Rat (Het Leucistic) with some cool striping!

steve roylance said:

Here is another suspected RedCoat Classic next to typical looking Classics.

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We have four hypos at RbM that have striking red coloration like that and I've suspected for a while that they might be RC. One in particular is very bright, and I'm hoping he'll go up on Reptique soon so I can post photos. I've heard RC described as partly obscuring the pattern around the head, and I think that description might match the one especially.

DuxorW said:

I have a redcoat lava and a sunkissed suspected red factor that are both adults, I'm excited to work with both genes, particularly getting them into lavender morphs. Joe Pierce hatched out a redcoat lava lavender that was just out of this world. I think both red factor and redcoat will make just about anything look better (I wonder what happens when they are both present in the same animal?!?!).

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I am kicking myself for not picking up the lava lavender he offered me a couple months ago, but I just didn't have room for him yet and I was looking for a female. I believe he was from the same clutch as the one you mentioned. I would also like to see RC and RF together, especially on a lighter morph (opal? ). I wonder if a RC RF whiteout would be pink...

I believe that Bob (former member) proved that RF and RC are not compatible.
He did testing with the two genes four(?) years ago.

I'll see if I can find the thread.
It might not be immediate, I'm at work.

The redcoat lava lavender joe produced was female, I had to do a double-take because female lava lavenders aren't particularly colorful and this one had way more peachy ground color than any male I've seen. But I do have a male lava lavender produced by Steve that is super colorful, one of my favorite corns in my collection.

MysticExotics said:

I believe that Bob (former member) proved that RF and RC are not compatible.
He did testing with the two genes four(?) years ago.

I'll see if I can find the thread.
It might not be immediate, I'm at work.

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I wouldn't expect them to be compatible, unless the animal is homozygous for redcoat and het/homo red factor. I imagine a red factor het for redcoat would just look like a red factor. But what if the red factor was homozygous for redcoat?

DuxorW said:

I wouldn't expect them to be compatible, unless the animal is homozygous for redcoat and het/homo red factor. I imagine a red factor het for redcoat would just look like a red factor. But what if the red factor was homozygous for redcoat?

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How would you tell?

DuxorW said:

The redcoat lava lavender joe produced was female, I had to do a double-take because female lava lavenders aren't particularly colorful and this one had way more peachy ground color than any male I've seen. But I do have a male lava lavender produced by Steve that is super colorful, one of my favorite corns in my collection.

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Do you have a pic of the one you got from me?

MysticExotics said:

How would you tell?

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It would be a pain in the butt.

First I'd just make some assumptions based on the fact that red factor seems dominant and redcoat is recessive.

I assume that a het red factor het redcoat will just look like a red factor (although sometimes recessive traits make themselves detectable in het form in the presence of other mutations, but it probably doesn't in this case if someone crossed them and thought they were incompatible).

A super red factor het redcoat should just look like a super red factor.

My expectation is that a het red factor homo redcoat would be redder than either a het red factor or homo redcoat. I'd expect a super red factor homo redcoat to be even redder, if that's possible.

I'd breed a red factor (a het not a super) to a redcoat, and hold back the red factor offspring, who would be visually obvious. They would carry one copy of red factor and one copy of redcoat. I would breed these animals to a homo redcoat, hopefully there would be animals that stand out as even redder than red coats and red factors. Those would hopefully be het red factor homo redcoat. You would need to breed those to a redcoat and get all redcoat offspring to prove that your suspected red factor redcoat was indeed homozygous redcoat. Breeding it to a normal should give 50% red factors het redcoat. If you got those results you'd know your animal carries one red factor allele (het red factor) and is homozygous redcoat. And hopefully it would be extremely red! It would suck if one red factor allele masked two redcoat alleles.

I wouldn't breed the het red factor het redcoat offspring together to test the theory because then your reddest offspring might be super red factor redcoats, and it would be hard to confirm that they were redcoat because when you mate them to a redcoat, if all the offspring are redder than normal it could be because the parent was homo red factor or homo redcoat or both, and disentangling them would be difficult.

DuxorW said:

It would be a pain in the butt.

First I'd just make some assumptions based on the fact that red factor seems dominant and redcoat is recessive.

I assume that a het red factor het redcoat will just look like a red factor (although sometimes recessive traits make themselves detectable in het form in the presence of other mutations, but it probably doesn't in this case if someone crossed them and thought they were incompatible).

A super red factor het redcoat should just look like a super red factor.

My expectation is that a het red factor homo redcoat would be redder than either a het red factor or homo redcoat. I'd expect a super red factor homo redcoat to be even redder, if that's possible.

I'd breed a red factor (a het not a super) to a redcoat, and hold back the red factor offspring, who would be visually obvious. They would carry one copy of red factor and one copy of redcoat. I would breed these animals to a homo redcoat, hopefully there would be animals that stand out as even redder than red coats and red factors. Those would hopefully be het red factor homo redcoat. You would need to breed those to a redcoat and get all redcoat offspring to prove that your suspected red factor redcoat was indeed homozygous redcoat. Breeding it to a normal should give 50% red factors het redcoat. If you got those results you'd know your animal carries one red factor allele (het red factor) and is homozygous redcoat.

I wouldn't breed the het red factor het redcoat offspring together to test the theory because then your reddest offspring might be super red factor redcoats, and it would be hard to confirm that they were redcoat because when you mate them to a redcoat, if all the offspring are redder than normal it could be because the parent was homo red factor or homo redcoat or both, and disentangling them would be difficult.

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Haha! This is why I'm not working with RC and I only focus on RF.

I cannot find the thread I was looking for, that explains what bob did in testing both RF and RC (as well as together).

steve roylance said:

Do you have a pic of the one you got from me?

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I do and will dig it out shortly, it's the least I can do after what I do to your hatchling threads. He's currently in shed. I also have a peppermint from you that is much redder than most, that I can post as well (she's my other favorite).

MysticExotics said:

Haha! This is why I'm not working with RC and I only focus on RF.

I cannot find the thread I was looking for, that explains what bob did in testing both RF and RC (as well as together).

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I feel you. I have a suspected red factor, and by luck acquired a redcoat lava okeetee ph sunkissed (the most hateful corn in existence), so I might as well take advantage of her redcoat, especially if I can get some redcoat stuff from Steve.

DuxorW said:

I do and will dig it out shortly, it's the least I can for after what I do to your hatchling threads. He's currently in shed. I also have a peppermint from you that is much redder than most, that I can post as well (she's my other favorite).

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Nice!! I'm working on RC Cinders and RC Kastanies in the near future. Actually might see the results next season.

steve roylance said:

Nice!! I'm working on RC Cinders and RC Kastanies in the near future. Actually might see the results next season.

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I bet redcoat will be great for cinders, as I love when their brick red tones come through. Some of mine have it, some don't. I think the peppermint I got from you will make great cinder/peppermint tesseras. Many peppermints are a paler pink, and I wonder if that's because they were crossed into Miami lines, and it somehow made them paler/pinker. I know Walter's are pink and descended from Carol's, which she had crossed into her Miami lines (athough I don't know where your cinder lines came from). I like both types of peppermints, though.

Iiiiittt's begun! :cheers:

This doesn't do him justice but it's all I have until he sheds. Lava lavender male I got from Steve earlier this year.


Compared to a female lava lavender (Joe Pierce bred). If all goes well she may be producing lava lavender tesseras next season!


Red peppermint (2014) from Steve


And may as well throw in this 2013 orchid from Steve, enjoying some sun.

I want to add that Steve's animals are 5000x prettier in reality than in my cheap cell phone photos.