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CAT vs SNAKE
- Thread starter kevo26
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CornCrazy
What's one more???
Thank you kevo...
but the pictures are too dark. It's hard to get a really good look at the wound. Are you using a flash? If not, then would you mind trying to get a picture using the flash. I work for a vet, and may be able to offer some suggestions depending upon the severity of the wounds.
but the pictures are too dark. It's hard to get a really good look at the wound. Are you using a flash? If not, then would you mind trying to get a picture using the flash. I work for a vet, and may be able to offer some suggestions depending upon the severity of the wounds.
CornCrazy
What's one more???
Never mind...
I lightened the picture and was able to tell a little more about the wound. That is definitely a significant wound, but I would not give up on him, yet. As long as he is eating, drinking, etc., then I would NOT have him euthanized.
You took him to the vet?? A reptile vet? The wound looks to be a full thickness skin wound, which should heal with sutures. The underlying tissues do not seem damaged. Now...I am not a vet, but I have seen wounds like this sutured, heal, and do fine. I would get the opinion of another vet. Tell the vet that you really want to save your snake, and see if the vet will at least TRY suturing the wound. Even if the wound doesn't close all of the way with sutures, it will help it to heal if it is pulled closer together. That way, it doesn't have to granulate in quite as much.
Oh yeah - I forgot to mention that I would keep him on paper towel substrate right now. You want to keep the wound as clean as possible and paper towels will work best for that.
Here's the lightened picture for everyone to see:
I lightened the picture and was able to tell a little more about the wound. That is definitely a significant wound, but I would not give up on him, yet. As long as he is eating, drinking, etc., then I would NOT have him euthanized.
You took him to the vet?? A reptile vet? The wound looks to be a full thickness skin wound, which should heal with sutures. The underlying tissues do not seem damaged. Now...I am not a vet, but I have seen wounds like this sutured, heal, and do fine. I would get the opinion of another vet. Tell the vet that you really want to save your snake, and see if the vet will at least TRY suturing the wound. Even if the wound doesn't close all of the way with sutures, it will help it to heal if it is pulled closer together. That way, it doesn't have to granulate in quite as much.
Oh yeah - I forgot to mention that I would keep him on paper towel substrate right now. You want to keep the wound as clean as possible and paper towels will work best for that.
Here's the lightened picture for everyone to see:
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kevo26
i love bp and corns
well the other nearist vet is 40 miles away and that is two far . I already switched to paper towles and i keep him in a room with less noise, and the vet did sutured him a lil bit but she did not see the reason why to (she's not a snake person but she is fine with lizards). he is doing fine and i hope he recovers he was going to be bread to my other amel rat snake to help along in the process to get some snows
CowBoyWay
Cocked & Unlocked member
I love optimism...
Lets save your snake. I initially envisioned much worse, "sliced up" and all that.
I am not a veterinarian, nor even remotely so.
Betadine, one can buy a small bottle at a good drugstore.
http://www.pharma.com/html/Our_products/Betadine_Microbicides.htm
The following is "M.K.'s" Procedure for Treating Minor Wounds, Blisters, Burns
1.Soak the reptile in warmish chest deep water to which Betadine (povidone-iodine) has been added to color the water to a deep medium tea color.
Leave in the tub for 15-20 minutes, refreshing the warm water and Betadine as necessary.
If the wound is swollen and crusty, carefully pick off the scab/crusty exudates.
Note that if the reptile defecates in the tub, it must be washed out, disinfected and another Betadine soak set up.
Flush the wound area with fresh water before being placed back in the new bath.
2.Remove the reptile from the tub and flush the wound with fresh dilute Betadine.
3. At night, top the wound with triple antibiotic ointment. Repeat for a week or until the wound is healing over.
4. If there is any sign of swelling which occurs after the bathing and treatment or such swelling does not abate after a week, the animal must be seen by an experienced reptile vet.
http://www.anapsid.org/firstaid.html
A 10 -25 (use 25) drop per gallon of G.S.E. per gallon will also do the job if you happen to have some handy.
I use ten drops per gallon in my everyday drinking water for my corns, and since we are "flying by the seat of our pants" here, whatever that means, it just may help by stimulating naughty bacteria fighting abilities in the patient.
GSE, according to published sources, is effective against more than 800 bacterial and viral strains, 100 strains of fungus, as well as a large number of single-cell and multi-celled parasites.
http://www.nutriteam.com/4gse.htm
Some will advise to shoot that puppy up with anti-biotics,
but I'm assuming thats beyond the scope of a home remedy for most hobbyists.
Let air dry in your immaculately clean tank.
Then apply a topical antibiotic salve.
Walgreens Drugstore chain sells a brand of triple antibiotic salve that also has Aloe Vera And vitamin E in its formulation. Good stuff.
Will accelerate the healing process.
As was stated above use Newspaper/ paper towel, so substrate does not stick to the wound.imho.
Lets save your snake. I initially envisioned much worse, "sliced up" and all that.
I am not a veterinarian, nor even remotely so. Betadine, one can buy a small bottle at a good drugstore.
http://www.pharma.com/html/Our_products/Betadine_Microbicides.htm
The following is "M.K.'s" Procedure for Treating Minor Wounds, Blisters, Burns
1.Soak the reptile in warmish chest deep water to which Betadine (povidone-iodine) has been added to color the water to a deep medium tea color.
Leave in the tub for 15-20 minutes, refreshing the warm water and Betadine as necessary.
If the wound is swollen and crusty, carefully pick off the scab/crusty exudates.
Note that if the reptile defecates in the tub, it must be washed out, disinfected and another Betadine soak set up.
Flush the wound area with fresh water before being placed back in the new bath.
2.Remove the reptile from the tub and flush the wound with fresh dilute Betadine.
3. At night, top the wound with triple antibiotic ointment. Repeat for a week or until the wound is healing over.
4. If there is any sign of swelling which occurs after the bathing and treatment or such swelling does not abate after a week, the animal must be seen by an experienced reptile vet.
http://www.anapsid.org/firstaid.html
A 10 -25 (use 25) drop per gallon of G.S.E. per gallon will also do the job if you happen to have some handy.
I use ten drops per gallon in my everyday drinking water for my corns, and since we are "flying by the seat of our pants" here, whatever that means, it just may help by stimulating naughty bacteria fighting abilities in the patient.
GSE, according to published sources, is effective against more than 800 bacterial and viral strains, 100 strains of fungus, as well as a large number of single-cell and multi-celled parasites.
http://www.nutriteam.com/4gse.htm
Some will advise to shoot that puppy up with anti-biotics,
but I'm assuming thats beyond the scope of a home remedy for most hobbyists.
Let air dry in your immaculately clean tank.
Then apply a topical antibiotic salve.
Walgreens Drugstore chain sells a brand of triple antibiotic salve that also has Aloe Vera And vitamin E in its formulation. Good stuff.
Will accelerate the healing process.
As was stated above use Newspaper/ paper towel, so substrate does not stick to the wound.imho.
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CornCrazy
What's one more???
CowBoy...
I believe you are one of the most helpful people on this forum. If you don't know the answer to something, then you always find someone or a place that does. I respect that, and thank you for it!
If the wound on kevo's snake was more than just a skin wound, then euthanasia may have been the best option. However, I think with some TLC, the snake has a chance of survival.
Good luck kevo! Keep us posted, please!
I believe you are one of the most helpful people on this forum. If you don't know the answer to something, then you always find someone or a place that does. I respect that, and thank you for it!
If the wound on kevo's snake was more than just a skin wound, then euthanasia may have been the best option. However, I think with some TLC, the snake has a chance of survival.
Good luck kevo! Keep us posted, please!
get rid of the cat
not to be mean, but when animals learn to do things like this, the chances are good that it could happen again. If it were my cats that did this to one of my snakes, I would give the cat to a family member that didnt have any reptiles.
my 1st thought when I saw those terrible pics was that snake should be relieved of its suffering, however I really admire your decision to do what it takes to try and save it.
Good Luck!!!!
not to be mean, but when animals learn to do things like this, the chances are good that it could happen again. If it were my cats that did this to one of my snakes, I would give the cat to a family member that didnt have any reptiles.
my 1st thought when I saw those terrible pics was that snake should be relieved of its suffering, however I really admire your decision to do what it takes to try and save it.
Good Luck!!!!
CowBoyWay
Cocked & Unlocked member
Death to felines...
actually I like cats,
(Honey, how many do we have? (How many do I feed?) )
actually we have three Siamese Snow shoe "mousers"
( Vector Control Specialists) that cruise the barn for any wild rodents that may pass by.
Inter-species interactions are to be avoided at all costs.
Especially if one has sharp claws and teeth and the other doesn't.
bmm, are you sure your not from Missouri? Thats the "show me" state. hehe
actually I like cats,
(Honey, how many do we have? (How many do I feed?) )
actually we have three Siamese Snow shoe "mousers"
( Vector Control Specialists) that cruise the barn for any wild rodents that may pass by.
Inter-species interactions are to be avoided at all costs.
Especially if one has sharp claws and teeth and the other doesn't.
bmm, are you sure your not from Missouri? Thats the "show me" state. hehe
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CornCrazy
What's one more???
That's why I said, "Even if the wound doesn't close all of the way with sutures, it will help it to heal if it is pulled closer together. That way, it doesn't have to granulate in quite as much."
It probably would not be able to be stitched completely closed.
And there is something that really bothers me here...why should the cat be punished? It's NOT his fault! He was just doing what comes natural to a cat. If an owner has cats (and I have two) then that owner is responsible for keeping the cats away from the snakes. It's as simple as that. Kevo and anyone else with cats, should simply never let the cats around the snakes. Put the snakes in a room with a door that can be closed off...especially when no one is home to make sure nothing can happen. Otherwise, everyone better just give all of their cats away...because almost any cat given the opportunity to do this...WILL!
CAV
Dazed and Cornfused
Win-Win solution
I though of something that would be fair for both cats and snakes. The other day I saw a Burmese Python at an exotic pet store. This snake was easily 15' long and had a bite radius that was close to 8".
Instead of punishing the cat, simply put it in with a snake like that. That would teach the cat a health "respect" for snakes.
"DINNER TIME!"
(BTW, I am not a "feline fancier". Just want to dispell any misconceptions)
I though of something that would be fair for both cats and snakes. The other day I saw a Burmese Python at an exotic pet store. This snake was easily 15' long and had a bite radius that was close to 8".
Instead of punishing the cat, simply put it in with a snake like that. That would teach the cat a health "respect" for snakes.
"DINNER TIME!"
(BTW, I am not a "feline fancier". Just want to dispell any misconceptions)
CORNCRAZY
I never even hinted that the cat should be punished. You probably weren't directing that at me, but I just wanted to set the record straight.
You actually wrote everything that I feel, AND repeated some of my previous post.
I have 2 cats and while I would never 'punish' one for attacking one of my snakes or chameleons, I could never trust it again. Which is why I said I would try to give it away.
I never even hinted that the cat should be punished. You probably weren't directing that at me, but I just wanted to set the record straight.
You actually wrote everything that I feel, AND repeated some of my previous post.
I have 2 cats and while I would never 'punish' one for attacking one of my snakes or chameleons, I could never trust it again. Which is why I said I would try to give it away.
CornCrazy
What's one more???
I wasn't directing my post...
at any one person in particular. I have just read things like this before OVER and OVER. I feel that if the owner is responsible for the needs of BOTH animals, then situations like this one will be limited. I love my snakes and my cats. I think that when something like this happens in my house...it would be the fault of a HUMAN!! For example...my daughter left the room opened in which we had some of our breeder mice. One of the cats knocked the cage over, and all of the mice escaped. It wasn't the cat's fault...it was my daughters. Now, luckily I found all of the mice and none of them were harmed, but they could have been easily killed by the cats.
All in alll, I guess it's just human nature...
we tend to blame those who are not responsible in order to remove the blame from ourselves. The sad thing is...Most of the time those doing the blaming know it's their fault, but simply don't want to pay the consequences for their actions.
And CAV, I don't think that's the least bit funny...
That's all I'm going to say about that
at any one person in particular. I have just read things like this before OVER and OVER. I feel that if the owner is responsible for the needs of BOTH animals, then situations like this one will be limited. I love my snakes and my cats. I think that when something like this happens in my house...it would be the fault of a HUMAN!! For example...my daughter left the room opened in which we had some of our breeder mice. One of the cats knocked the cage over, and all of the mice escaped. It wasn't the cat's fault...it was my daughters. Now, luckily I found all of the mice and none of them were harmed, but they could have been easily killed by the cats.
All in alll, I guess it's just human nature...
we tend to blame those who are not responsible in order to remove the blame from ourselves. The sad thing is...Most of the time those doing the blaming know it's their fault, but simply don't want to pay the consequences for their actions.
And CAV, I don't think that's the least bit funny...
That's all I'm going to say about that