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Old 01-24-2019, 06:51 PM   #1
MysticExotics
Het Cinder influence?

Both of these snakes are from the (local) same breeder, picked up at a local pet store.
The one on the left is a Hypo Tessera, the one on the right is a Hypo Motley Tessera, and I think might be het for Cinder. She came in with a batch of Cinder combos.
 
Old 02-06-2019, 07:07 AM   #2
Seriva Senkalora
Hi,

yes, it seems as if het Cinder sometimes creates a "miami-ish" look. I have several normals het Cinder (and more) who also show a lack of yellow and pretty clear colors.

But I won't use this as a reliable marker for unknown snakes.
Only testbreeding will help you to be sure.

Best wishes,
Seriva

PS: Attached is one of my het Cinder females.
 
Old 02-06-2019, 07:45 AM   #3
67temp
How can you tell the difference between the tessera and the motely tessera?

I've also heard that motely is not only a pattern modifier but it reduces the amount of visible melan.
 
Old 02-07-2019, 03:46 PM   #4
Dragonling
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How can you tell the difference between the tessera and the motely tessera?

I've also heard that motely is not only a pattern modifier but it reduces the amount of visible melan.
Motley Tesseras will have smoothed side patterns, usually with some lateral striping, rather than the broken tessellations of a normal Tessera.

I suspect the observed melanin reduction has more to do with Motley's effect on the border patterns, but I do think it might lighten saddle color itself slightly too.
 
Old 02-08-2019, 12:55 AM   #5
MysticExotics
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How can you tell the difference between the tessera and the motely tessera?

I've also heard that motely is not only a pattern modifier but it reduces the amount of visible melan.
The difference in the side pattern, as well as the dorsal stripe is more like a pinstripe Motley, than a regular Tessera.

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Motley Tesseras will have smoothed side patterns, usually with some lateral striping, rather than the broken tessellations of a normal Tessera.

I suspect the observed melanin reduction has more to do with Motley's effect on the border patterns, but I do think it might lighten saddle color itself slightly too.
It's possible, haven't done a lot with Motley. My guess is based on the het Cinders I have had before.
She'll be bred to prove out the Cinder, but I also am wanting to continue to work on more perfect stripe Tessera's in my projects.
 
Old 02-08-2019, 12:58 AM   #6
MysticExotics
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Originally Posted by Seriva Senkalora View Post
Hi,

yes, it seems as if het Cinder sometimes creates a "miami-ish" look. I have several normals het Cinder (and more) who also show a lack of yellow and pretty clear colors.

But I won't use this as a reliable marker for unknown snakes.
Only testbreeding will help you to be sure.

Best wishes,
Seriva

PS: Attached is one of my het Cinder females.
Agreed, but it's a strong suspicion, based on other het Cinders I have had.
I think the Cinder gene will help with my Candy Cane projects.
 
Old 02-15-2019, 07:36 PM   #7
KvanAalten
A friend of mine bred a Butter Tessera to a Hypo Peppermint, she got mixed babies. Some had this Miami-ish look and others just looked like normal Amel (Tessera). She kept a male of this clutch that was pretty white looking already when he hatched, saw him a while ago in person (he's grown a lot!) and he really has this candycane look to him.
 
Old 04-03-2019, 09:17 PM   #8
MysticExotics
I got in contact with the breeder of these babies, turns out this female is het Cinder. She's also possibly Homo Dom (Super) Tessera.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:58 AM   #9
67temp
Does het cinder have any influence on eye color?
 
Old 11-19-2019, 11:31 AM   #10
MysticExotics
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Does het cinder have any influence on eye color?
Good question, I hadn't noticed. I will have to look.
 

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