A little rant on courtesy and professionalism

How did the topic of "courtesy and professionalism" turn into a debate of what Vinman fed his snakes and if it's good or bad? Just wondering. I confuse easily some times.

Originally Posted by bekers71

How did the topic of "courtesy and professionalism" turn into a debate of what Vinman fed his snakes and if it's good or bad? Just wondering. I confuse easily some times.

I take responability for this! Sorry, I was just using a specific thread started by Vinman to make the original point of ghosthousecorns which was

Is it too much to ask that when someone who clearly has been doing this for a long time, makes a post they get the bit of respect and courtesy they have earned?

Drizzt80:You need to read the thread apparently.

Apparently I'm not the only one.

You guys all crack me up!! No wonder I love CS so much. LOL

Originally Posted by Drizzt80

The issue with the vinsters "feeding practice" was that it's not an effective replacement for the nutritional value found in feeding whole prey items.

D80

If I wanted to read up on vinsters "feeding practices" not being an effective replacement for the nutritianal value found in feeding whole prey items where would I find that? If I had the knowledge your working from to form my opinions maybe I could have the same opinion as you?

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Originally Posted by Austin M
If I wanted to read up on the suffer health of corn snakes that had their mouse diet switched to a meat, organ and bone diet where could I find that?
Your answer to my question was?

You need to read the thread apparently. The vinster wasn't feding organs and bones, just meat, plain white chicken meat. I don't think my statement was too bold

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I think it's bold if it's a fact.

The vinster wasn't feding organs and bones, just meat, plain white chicken meat.

If I wanted to find vinster's "plain white chicken meat" feeding schedule, where could I find that in this thread?http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/sho...highlight=pork

Originally Posted by wade

The problem with people who think they know everything is that they are really annoying to those of us who do.

"When I was 16, I thought I knew everything. Sadly, I forgot one thing....that I was right!"

LOL. I love that quote!

Originally Posted by diamondlil

I've got no plans to feed my corns on anything but mice, personally.

While I understand that, adding an occasional rat pup to the diet of an senescent cornsnake - or even a female that puts an excessive amount of reserves into egg laying - can be very beneficial. Plus, I'm still playing around with the "thawed chick" diet for a couple of my breeder females because, well, because I COULD. Whole thawed chickens with small mice fed ONLY when necessary (first meals out of brumation and following egg deposition). Surprisingly, I've been very pleased with some of the things I've seen. Very surprised....and very pleased.

KJ

Originally Posted by Austin M

If I wanted to find vinster's "plain white chicken meat" feeding schedule, where could I find that in this thread?http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/sho...highlight=pork

Yep, that would be the thread. I was wrong, it wasn't plain white chicken meat. I stand corrected and apologize. It was plain white chicken meat, plain white turkey meat, and the other white meat, plain pork. Yes, he did mention feeding a gizzard or two, and a neck or heart to his larger snakes, but I still find it very difficult to swallow that his revolutionary feeding plan replaces the whole body mouse or rat meals we currently feed.

Of course (as usual) I'm supposed to be the one that needs to find the scientific documentation to refute the vinsters claims . . . haven't seen or heard that one before!!

Originally Posted by bekers71

How did the topic of "courtesy and professionalism" turn into a debate of what Vinman fed his snakes and if it's good or bad? Just wondering. I confuse easily some times.

Oh please Becky!! You act as though you've never been around here before!! It's status quo for threads to go off topic. I'm amazed this one has only taken one detour so far!!

D80

Originally Posted by Drizzt80

Yep, that would be the thread. I was wrong, it wasn't plain white chicken meat. I stand corrected and apologize. It was plain white chicken meat, plain white turkey meat, and the other white meat, plain pork. Yes, he did mention feeding a gizzard or two, and a neck or heart to his larger snakes, but I still find it very difficult to swallow that his revolutionary feeding plan replaces the whole body mouse or rat meals we currently feed.

Of course (as usual) I'm supposed to be the one that needs to find the scientific documentation to refute the vinsters claims . . . haven't seen or heard that one before!!


Oh please Becky!! You act as though you've never been around here before!! It's status quo for threads to go off topic. I'm amazed this one has only taken one detour so far!!

D80

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Drizzt80 again.

Brent, you are wickedly cracking me up (as usual). I will get back to repping this post later.

This thread needs a Bump. I have nothing against chicken. Fried or Bar-b-qued. But I think what Jen stated in the 1st post needs to be reread by some.

Originally Posted by carol

Yep. Did you know that I lost my second corn to egg binding when she was just 18 months old?
The pet store told me I could keep them together, after all, they kept all their breeders together, not just by pairs either, they had about seven adult snakes of mixed sex all together. They also told me that the male would not be fertile unless he was brumated, so even when I witnessed mating behavior I didn't separate them because I was told he was shooting blanks.
At the time there was not a lot of info to find on keeping cornsnakes so I followed the advice of the pet store. ......

Not going to quote the entire post but Carol, this is a great story and something you should cut and paste or post more often.

For most of us experienced keepers, we all have done Stupid things and lost animals. this is how we learned when there was no real information out there.

Originally Posted by wade

The problem with people who think they know everything is that they are really annoying to those of us who do.

Here I agree with Wade. There is a certain 15 year old who thinks he has more experience with snakes here than all us old timers. Only been into snakes for less than a year and already planning on getting a Yellow Anaconda. Says they are like keeping a boa. *sigh*

There is just so much information out there, good and bad. We shouldn't jump on a person for being misinformed. I see a lot of new keepers that lucked out by finding this site first, but are brutal to those that weren't so lucky. How many people would really think there are forums dedicated to this? Ask 20 strangers...
The best we can do is state our opinions on the best way to keep snakes and give supporting evidence. If they listen, they listen, if they don't, they don't.