Chat room - listen up, please

Rich Z · Nov 9, 2006

CMLReptiles said:
If you didn't notice Rich, she put a at the end, symbolizing that it wasn't to be taken in such a harsh way...isn't that what you say gintha did? hmmm...7 day ban when it's directed at you, a laugh when it's directed at somebody else. maybe now you can see it from another point of view? nah, prob not

Certainly do, and I feel I interpretted the INTENT correctly. The ATTITUDE with that slur taken in context is not really too difficult to figure out.

Mary-Beth · Nov 9, 2006

Rich Z said:
Well maybe I SHOULD, but I don't. Please tell me.

From 11-6-2006

mary-beth said:
Hi Rich.
It's been another two months since I last PMed you about this - four months total. Any news?

Mary-Beth Smith

Rich Z · Nov 9, 2006

Hmm, so here is the response I gave you to that PM:

Mary-Beth, yes, I know, it's still in my in basket on my desk. Sorry, just haven't had much *free* time lately. Doesn't help matters much that I have to be going into defensive mode here on this site as well.

I will get to it as soon as I can. It's not going to be forgotten, since the stuff in the in basket stays there until dealt with.

Thanks.

THAT makes you feel ignored and uncomfortable?

Mary-Beth said:
As for me, you should KNOW why I'm feeling ignored and uncomfortable - and it has nothing to do with anything in this thread.

Sorry, I didn't realize it was such a high priority for you. Guess I have a lot on my plate and have to prioritize things based on what I think is more important. Obviously that will not set well with some people, I guess.

I admit that when you placed the order back in early July, I have the excuse that this was smack dab in the middle of my having thousands of babies beginning their onslaught. But yes, I certain should have taken care of this in the last month when things were not so pressing. Coincidentally enough, I completed the records check last night (I had some trouble finding the records on those 1983 breeders) and have the form in an envelope sitting in the hallway for the next time I go to the post office. In any event, please send me a PM with your PayPal address and I will refund that $10 as well.

Obviously I need to consider whether offering such documents is worth the trouble they can get me into. $10 just is not worth the effort to research the records AND get someone pissed at me because I have things to do that I might consider as a higher priority to me. Seemed like a good idea at the time, though..... :shrugs:

Mary-Beth · Nov 9, 2006

Rich Z said:
Hmm, so here is the response I gave you to that PM:

THAT makes you feel ignored and uncomfortable?

Not until I saw a thread where you laughed at someone who though you might have a sale soon. It was so funny because you are sold out of so many babies already. I would have have waited patiently for a very long time if I hadn't seen that.

Rich Z said:
Sorry, I didn't realize it was such a high priority for you. Guess I have a lot on my plate and have to prioritize things based on what I think is more important. Obviously that will not set well with some people, I guess.

A high priority? It's been four months Rich. I've only contacted you three times about it, and I only did that because I wasn't hearing anything from you.

Rich Z said:
I admit that when you placed the order back in early July, I have the excuse that this was smack dab in the middle of my having thousands of babies beginning their onslaught. But yes, I certain should have taken care of this in the last month when things were not so pressing. Coincidentally enough, I completed the records check last night (I had some trouble finding the records on those 1983 breeders) and have the form in an envelope sitting in the hallway for the next time I go to the post office. In any event, please send me a PM with your PayPal address and I will refund that $10 as well.

Thank you for the offer but you should keep the money as long as I get what I've paid for.

Rich Z said:
Obviously I need to consider whether offering such documents is worth the trouble they can get me into. $10 just is not worth the effort to research the records AND get someone pissed at me because I have things to do that I might consider as a higher priority to me. Seemed like a good idea at the time, though..... :shrugs:

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said I'm pissed. I am feeling ignored, uncomfortable, disappointed, and disillusioned even - but not angry.

The only reason I even brought it up was because you didn't understand why I felt ignored. How would you be feeling right now if our positions were reversed?

Mary-Beth · Nov 9, 2006

I'm sorry, you didn't think the sale idea was funny. Here's a link to the post I was referring to - http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=353564&postcount=9

Rich Z · Nov 9, 2006

Well, for those interested, here is that post:

Rich Z said:
Sale? Sorry, but no, not likely. Things are selling out WAY too quickly and it kind of scares me to think I would be completely sold out of saleable stock way before the next year's crop is due. So there really is no incentive to have a sale on what is left.

But honestly the higher dollar animals do sell more slowly than the cheaper stuff, so save your money with that goal in mind.

No, I don't see anything in it either where I laughed at anyone. Put this thread seems just littered with people putting words in my mouth, I guess. So what was it about this post that made you feel "I would have have waited patiently for a very long time if I hadn't seen that."

Mary-Beth said:
A high priority? It's been four months Rich. I've only contacted you three times about it, and I only did that because I wasn't hearing anything from you.

And yes, it has been four months. I am sorry that I must have given the impression that I am only busy TWO or THREE months out of the entire year. As for status reports, seriously, when I am getting ONLY 4 to 5 hours of sleep each night with the workload at that time of year?

And when you contacted me, what did I tell you each time? Probably something along the line that I am busy and will get to it as soon as I can, I would suspect. Which was the truth each time.

Mary-Beth said:
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said I'm pissed. I am feeling ignored, uncomfortable, disappointed, and disillusioned even - but not angry.

The only reason I even brought it up was because you didn't understand why I felt ignored. How would you be feeling right now if our positions were reversed?

Positions reversed? Well since I wouldn't have to worry about it much until it came time to actually breed the animal, I seriously doubt it would concern me overly much for a couple of years. But that is just me, I guess. Heck, I have special ordered items that took me YEARS to get. But I certainly did not get to feeling "ignored, uncomfortable, disappointed, and disillusioned" over it. If I need something in a hurry, I make sure the other person knows about it. Heck, whenever I contact my programmer about doing work for me, although I normally want to get it done ASAP, I fully realize he is busy too, and I ALWAYS tell him "as soon as you can get to it". And I mean that.

And yes, my impression is that you are pissed. You don't HAVE to say it. Otherwise you wouldn't be bringing up the topic like this in an already heated discussion. Those aren't words being put into your mouth, that is my assessment of the situation. The situation being that my schedule does not allow me to do something of that nature which for only $10 can get people PISSED at me.

And no, I am sending you back your $10. I would just rather that you had it back. It's absolutely my fault I am late getting this done, and it has obviously caused you a lot of distress over it. I just don't feel right keeping your money.

Mary-Beth · Nov 9, 2006

Rich Z said:
So what was it about this post that made you feel "I would have have waited patiently for a very long time if I hadn't seen that."

You were telling me that the snakes were keeping you so busy that you couldn't get to me, yet in the post you say a lot of snakes are sold out now.

Rich Z said:
And yes, it has been four months. I am sorry that I must have given the impression that I am only busy TWO or THREE months out of the entire year. As for status reports, seriously, when I am getting ONLY 4 to 5 hours of sleep each night with the workload at that time of year?

You gave no such impression. I wasn't even thinking about this until the day I sent you the last PM. That was right after I read that post.

Rich Z said:
And yes, my impression is that you are pissed. You don't HAVE to say it. Otherwise you wouldn't be bringing up the topic like this in an already heated discussion.

I've already said that the only reason I brought it up was because you didn't understand why I felt ignored, and I did it in a way that you would understand what I was talking about but no one else would. It was not my intention to drag it out in the open.

Rich Z said:
Those aren't words being put into your mouth, that is my assessment of the situation.

You think it so it's true?

carol · Nov 9, 2006

Rich Z said:
I continue to hear people on this site refer to those "Fauna People" in such a condescending manner, then obviously I need to take down the bridge that connects these two sites. Need I remind you that the chat was installed originally for the FaunaClassifieds site, and I only had this site tied into that chat system because a lot of you ASKED for a chat? If I take down the bridge, who do you think is going to be on the wrong side of that chasm?

Rich Z said:
Personally, I would like to just drop most of the discussion forums on FaunaClassifieds and put them here on this site. I think they would get a WHOLE lot more participation here than they are over on FC. All anyone is interested in over there is the BOI, and that's about it. Here, people actually want to TALK about stuff that interests them, and it appears the atmosphere here is more conducive to them doing that.

Hmm, I can't believe I don't have a smiley to reflect what I think about Fauna myself right now. Something that is a cross between a primal scream, jumping off a cliff, going postal, punching someone in the face, and having a heart attack all rolled up into one. Anyone ever seen one like that anywhere?

From the comments above and elsewhere that I just didn’t find in search, I gather: You admit (at least until recently) cornsnake members are kinder, gentler, more talkative, and easier to deal with. Then you admit Fauna members are, well, not quite that. Then you state how Fauna is bigger and earns more money so if either of the sites loses anything it will be cornsnakes. There really is nothing wrong with those statements, and maybe I’m reading it wrong and I don’t really know how to explain how it makes me feel but I’ll try. So you have two grown sons, one makes tons of money and shares the wealth with you but only visits you when they have something to gain from it. Their behavior is so bad, sometimes it makes you feel like this:

Rich Z said:
Something that is a cross between a primal scream, jumping off a cliff, going postal, punching someone in the face, and having a heart attack all rolled up into one.

The other son doesn’t make as much money but they are always over to help you mow the lawn, trim the roses, or just sit and talk. And makes you feel like:

Rich Z said:
I think they would get a WHOLE lot more participation here than they are over on FC. All anyone is interested in over there is the BOI, and that's about it. Here, people actually want to TALK about stuff that interests them, and it appears the atmosphere here is more conducive to them doing that.

Then you say things like this about the cash cow son:

Rich Z said:
I continue to hear people on this site refer to those "Fauna People" in such a condescending manner, then obviously I need to take down the bridge that connects these two sites. Need I remind you that the chat was installed originally for the FaunaClassifieds site, and I only had this site tied into that chat system because a lot of you ASKED for a chat? If I take down the bridge, who do you think is going to be on the wrong side of that chasm?

Good feeling’s gone. Different people will react differently to that. Some will leave in a huff. Then again a lot of us will stay and still participate, but with our heads hung a little low. Sure we’ve put our hearts into the site but when it’s between member’s opinions and money, we’re bound to loose. Nothing really wrong with that either but it takes awhile for us to get over that realization. Perhaps the monetary contributions don’t hold a candle to the google revenue, but if it hadn’t been for the participation of founding members and many, many more that came along, the site would not have grown to the point where it could earn google revenue. However, like I said it’s not about money, it’s about a little recognition. And not recognition like I’m sure you are thinking about. I’m talking about getting the benefit of the doubt. Do you really think that after putting blood, sweat, and tears into a site, helping you, they are really going to get upset and abandon things because they were told to act with dignity? That shows a pretty low opinion of us. That may seem to be the case from a real quick blank stare at the facts, but I think many of us should have earned the benefit of doubt by now. After all you gave it to Joe Jo. Let’s not forget the quote above that shows how you feel about Fauna people, yet they get such a lovie huggie explanation to their actions.

Rich Z said:
SOMETHING got that person pissed off enough to go off on a tirade. Sorry, but I don't believe for an instant that there was "no particular reason" for what was said.

Rich Z said:
Without a doubt, normal people CAN be changed into trolls simply by how you treat them.

So I agree there are people who participated in that chat that have proved they really didn’t earn, or earned and lost, the benefit of doubt. However, I think the majority of them earned the right to the same defense you gave the Fauna member. Again, it’s not an excuse, but should have pointed to you that it was getting bad enough to make good people break. After all, if some Fauna folks (note some, I’m not anti Fauna) made the rational Rich Z fell like this:

Rich Z said:
Something that is a cross between a primal scream, jumping off a cliff, going postal, punching someone in the face, and having a heart attack all rolled up into one.

Could you EVER get a clue that’s how we also felt about these people “visiting” us in chat? Could you understand people not wanting to go to a room to chat with people who made you feel like that? Could you understand that us not wanting to go there is not an immature spiteful act?
Back to the quotes you asked for:

Rich Z said:
Well be that as it may, the point of this thread was to request people NOT to SNAP in the chat room. It makes this site look bad. It makes me look bad for running this site. And it certainly can't be doing YOU any favors either.

Now it was not this statement that turned people from chat, it was that statement PAIRED with a troll problem that did not stop when people changed their ways. There is nothing wrong with expecting us to turn the other cheek. Expecting us to stay in a room and turn the other check when we are being repeatedly slapped is a little more difficult. We toughed it out and I personally felt I was ready to snap, you requested people didn’t do that, so my only other option was to leave. Sure, I could have reported chat logs, but after this thread it’s obvious you had a chip on your shoulder and didn’t want to give any of us the benefit of doubt. After talking with other people, this was also their reason for leaving. We don’t like getting slapped, yes we are capable of turning the other check once in awhile, but don’t desire to be some where were we have to do it over and over. And what was your take on our actions? We’re all immature, and this was your response.

Rich Z said:
Some people apparently got their knickers in a knot because I posted this thread in an effort to get the participants to cut out the petty crap I saw taking place in it. So rather than comply, the people this thread was pointed towards decided to just go elsewhere.

Should I have not taken your assumtion on our behavior personal?

Rich Z said:
quite honestly I disagree with your assessment of several other people involved. Read this thread from beginning to end and note the people who said THIS thread ruined the chat room for them. Now why is that?

It’s because they were told to turn their cheeks or leave, when their cheeks got sore… they left. I guess that’s bad. Maybe if you had not started this thread and taken the boxing gloves off one of the teams they would still be in there hashing it out. However that doesn’t mean they left because they were angry they couldn’t box, it’s because they were getting the snot beat out of them. Hence, I don’t think people are mad that you told them they couldn’t box, they are mad because they were told they couldn’t box but had to stay in the ring and talk nice with the opponent while they hammered away with their gloves still intact. Apparently, not complying with your request and deciding to go elsewhere is an immature attack towards you and your site. And note this response:

Rich Z said:
Oh well......... Guess it is my fault for expecting more from the home team, eh?

We didn’t meet your expectations of what? Staying somewhere we were being insulted and keeping a smile on our face? Should I have not taken this personal either?

Rich Z said:
That's why I threw this warning flag on the field. And apparently one team just got in a huff and walked off the field because of it.

Not a huff, chat wasn’t fun with the amount of trolls. We were asked to control ourselves or leave, so we *gasp* left, and apparently did so because we’re so immature. Again, that quote shows me that after dozens of posts you don’t “get” that it has nothing to do with defending the right to be rude to anyone. *see boxing illustration*
I just can’t help but take it personally when I read all your summaries of why YOU think people gave up on chat and that you can’t comprehend that there may be something else reasonable to it. Like or not, there’s not too many ways to read into how you feel about us. When you automatically expect the worst about someone who has been proven over years to be an asset, they get hurt.
I’ll address the “other” thread since I started it. It was started in no way to be a “hate fest”. I’ve had some very awful things done to me over the years, and I still can’t think of anyone I actively hate. It’s not a good way to live. In fact I don’t see that many of the comments made there were any worse than some of the comments you made regarding members in this thread. So is this thread a “hate fest” directed to your members, or where you just a little frustrated with some people? I started it because I had the false impression that it would only be read by a select few that would take it at face value of just “Carol venting”, and that’s it. I meant some of what I said, and some of it I didn’t. I was mad, when I saw the forum begin to get mentioned I feared that I was no longer speaking among only friends that were able to just let me blow off some steam and not read too much into what I was saying. I thought it was getting unnecessarily ugly in your behalf and didn’t want anyone to go over and form any opinion about you or myself over some statements made in frustration. So I asked it be removed. When I made that post I felt that our years of help have at least earned us enough “recognition” for you to be willing to lift a finger and scratch a little below the surface. We’ve earned the right for you to think better of us than “we are just a bunch of immature folk that left because we were asked to be civil”. When that got denied, I vented, hate had nothing to do with it.

Rich Z said:
You make it sound like you have engaged in this conversation solely with the expectation that you would be offered the job of moderator.

That’s cute. It’s nice to know that the only reason you think I took the time to explain an “insiders” view was only to fulfill my life long dream of being a chat room mod. Again, that tells me something about what you think of me. *Shrug*. Unfortunately, because of that statement I felt it was necessary for me to decline on principle. And yet you lost another person that might have been willing and able to help with a problem that just isn’t going to go away on it’s own.

Rich Z said:
Carol, I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you have ……also never been a moderator yourself.

You guessed wrong.

Rich Z · Nov 9, 2006

Mary-Beth said:
You were telling me that the snakes were keeping you so busy that you couldn't get to me, yet in the post you say a lot of snakes are sold out now.

Absolutely! If you are feeding 400 babies on a 7 day schedule, is that any different to your daily workload than feeding 400 babies on a 5 day schedule? Even though the total number of snakes has been reduced, the workload pretty much remains the same. But you are just doing a better job getting more meals into those snakes.

Mary-Beth said:
You gave no such impression. I wasn't even thinking about this until the day I sent you the last PM. That was right after I read that post.

So what impression did I give you? That I was going to leave the country with that $10 of yours? That I am purposely keeping this info from you? What?

Mary-Beth said:
I've already said that the only reason I brought it up was because you didn't understand why I felt ignored, and I did it in a way that you would understand what I was talking about but no one else would. It was not my intention to drag it out in the open.

Perhaps you should read your posts again. It is obvious you were agitated at me. You chose to bring this up here rather than simply contacting me via email or PM and saying something like "Rich, I REALLY REALLY need that record for that snake as soon as possible because I REALLY need it."

In all cases, you simply asked me the status of it, and I gave you the status back. You said nothing more about it as a followup, even this last time, but then use it as a bludgeon on me here. Yeah, I know I should have made the effort to get it to you sooner, but I didn't, I'm sorry about it, and I can't do a thing to change the past.

Mary-Beth said:
You think it so it's true?

For me it is. As what you think is apparently true to you as well.

Your money has been refunded. I have apologized for my tardiness in providing what you ordered. The genetics chart is in an envelope in the hallway here and will be going out as soon as I can get to the post office. That is the best I can do and ALL I am going to do about it any further.

Rich Z · Nov 9, 2006

OK, Carol, you obviously spent a lot of your time coming up and collating those quotes, and you bring up some valid points. So let's discuss this.

So tell me, in my shoes, when presented with that chat log, with everything under consideration (meaning you run both FaunaClassifieds and CornSnakes, as well as everything mentioned in this thread concerning the limitations of trying to control trolls), how would YOU have handled this? Remember you are me, so you have been royally burned by rogue moderators already, and not willing to go through that again. You, being me, also know that it is impossible to get rid of trolls. And the fear is that innocent people may have been being treated as trolls that I have never caught wind of, based on the evidence seen. Someone coming into the Corn Snake room and asking about another type of animal, just doesn't automatically make them a troll, in my opinion.

You also know that yes there are quite a few good people on this site, but good people don't necessarily make good moderators. Your biggest fear by loading up the chat with a flood of moderators is seeing a feeding frenzy develop whereby instead of just bashing the troll (or anyone deemed as such from some arbitrary criteria), now the contest is on to see who will be the first moderator to ban that person.

So the choice is (1) SOMETHING needed to be done, or (2) NOTHING needed to be done. Pick one, and tell me what and/or why, please.

carol · Nov 10, 2006

I don't have any more time to spare today (actually I ran out hours ago) and I don't want to just blurt out something that's not thought out, so let me get back to you on that, soon.

One statement I do have is this: Some mods might have burned you in the past, but it's my sincere belief that this thread is proof that this "doing nothing" business can burn much worse.

Joejr14 · Nov 10, 2006

jazzgeek said:
Meanwhile, I'd be able to produce chat logs where your introductory comment is filled with so much whine - be it from your day at work, to a problem with one of your snakes, to your perception of the state of this site - that I'd be able to offer you some fine Wisconsin cheese to accompany it.

And just what does my 'whining' about work, or other things have to do with this thread, or you being a moderator? I mean, you only did bring this up after I simply said I was confused as to why Brent would nominate you as a mod....

jazzgeek said:
You've been a consistent whiny, childish cipher, so much to the point that one of my new neighbors (who has frequented this forum longer than either of us) has made the correlation - not necessarily the causation, but I'll let others be the judge - between the beginning of the lack of civility here on the forums with the beginning of your frequenting the forums.

Oh sure. My presence on the forums has brought it down the tubes. That makes sense, since every single one of my posts is useless whining, and I have no knowledge to contribute.

jazzgeek said:
Go for it. With you as mod, I'm sure we'd all be clamoring to be there, if not to simply say "I remember him when...", as we prop the grandchilluns up on our knee to tell them a story.

Funny, Jazz, since I can remember more than a few times where I made another Cornsnakes room and nobody complained about my moderating of that room.

Since you obviously have some personal agenda or issue with me, why not just voice it over a PM and not respond to my posts on this website anymore? Or, are you going to continue to set fine examples of civility on this website by taking repeated cheap ass pot shots at me in threads that have ZERO connection to this thread, or this issue? (http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=359983&postcount=2)

But hey, you've got that nice little smiley face there, so that makes it okay, right?

jazzgeek · Nov 10, 2006

Joejr14 said:
And just what does my 'whining' about work, or other things have to do with this thread, or you being a moderator? I mean, you only did bring this up after I simply said I was confused as to why Brent would nominate you as a mod....

Prior to that....

Joejr14 said:
Just playing Devil's Advocate here...

You'd recommend Jazz to be a chat room moderator? There are quite a few chat logs that are floating around that show a display far worse than 'gtfo'. Of course, since he said 'sorry' he's in the clear??

Nowhere do I see the word "confused". You said you were playing "Devil's Advocate".

To be an advocate is to take a position, a stance; thus, you took a stance regarding my credentials as a mod in chat.

And gee, since the title of this thread - let's review it, just so you can keep current - is "Chat room - listen up, please", and you're taking a position regarding my abilities or lack thereof as a chat mod, and your whining about work is done in a (stay with me here) chat room, there's a certain relevance.

Evidence has shown that you're confused about the proper usage of the word "confused". I hope my explanation here hasn't confused you.

Oh sure. My presence on the forums has brought it down the tubes. That makes sense, since every single one of my posts is useless whining, and I have no knowledge to contribute.

Every single one of your posts? Who made that claim?

Oh. You did.

Funny, Jazz, since I can remember more than a few times where I made another Cornsnakes room and nobody complained about my moderating of that room.

As I said, go for it. :shrugs:

Since you obviously have some personal agenda or issue with me, why not just voice it over a PM and not respond to my posts on this website anymore?

Please, get over yourself. My "agenda" with you is merely in response to your "agenda" with me. You take it upon yourself to be "Devil's Advocate" regarding me, and I'll take it upon myself to be an advocate for myself.

Or, are you going to continue to set fine examples of civility on this website by taking repeated cheap ass pot shots at me in threads that have ZERO connection to this thread, or this issue? (http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=359983&postcount=2)

Aw, a little joke was made at your expense. :sobstory: Let me get a support group link for you.

As for the "ZERO" connection to this thread, or to you: a newbie introduced himself to the forum and mentioned that he also was getting a Jungle Carpet Python, a (GASP!) "non-corn" in a (DOUBLE GASP!!!) cornsnake forum. If this were done in chat, how would you have responded?

Oh yeah. That's kind of the topic of this thread.

As for the "fine example of civility", let's review:

Keep it civil, and so will I. IMO, you took it over the edge by trying to claim that taking a position was being "confused" over Brent's post. You can't make an assertion, and then claim confusion. You're contradicting yourself, just as Rich recently PWND you when you claimed that the incident that was the impetus for this thread was the "first and only time" in chat, and then subsequently claimed that there are "quite a few logs" out there.
Once I've gotten to know someone and understand their tolerance for "give and take", some good-natured ribbing will ensue. If it goes too far on either end, I'd expect honest, bilateral communication about the transgression - to that end, if you care to take it to PM with any questions you may have about this post, I'd be happy to respond.
If there is obvious attitude, it will be returned in kind. If it escalates, I'll punch you in the soul.

A day or so ago, Mike Blickendorfer gave me a good hearted jab about my "polka" clip on the web. Do you think my response was to consider it a "cheap ass pot shot"? If I have ANY advice for you in this post, it's to lighten up; you'll stroke out before me, and I'm the old fart who's twice your age and on anticoagulants.

But hey, you've got that nice little smiley face there, so that makes it okay, right?

I was ready to concede this point until you closed with an emoticon. You almost had me.

I'll give you a while to let the irony sink in.

regards,
jazz

Joejr14 · Nov 10, 2006

Rich Z said:
Sorry, I need to jump ahead a bit to grab this quote from Joe...

Joe, I'm sorry, but I just don't understand these two quotes taken together at all. In the first one you are plainly stating that the incident shown in the chat log snippet is a FIRST and ONLY TIME that anything like that has happened. Actually when I read that, I thought, hmm, guess I had better see if I still have any of those other chat logs sent to me in the past. But I continued reading on, and darn if that later post of yours just has me beat. Let me requote that sentence that baffles me:

There are quite a few chat logs that are floating around that show a display far worse than 'gtfo'.

Well what happened to that original claim about uniqueness of this sort of behavior? Are you now saying that it is NOT unique at all? Sorry if I have misunderstood what you are saying in those quotes...

Let me start off by saying that for whatever role I've played (obviously a large one, since the 'gtfo' thing seems to be the bright shining beacon), I'm sorry. I cannot believe that this thread is 8 pages and almost 300 responses.

None of MY chat logs show a display worse than 'gtfo', or anything similar. I can't say the same for others, but that's not the point.

The point is that there are no chat logs where we 'jumped' a troll. Sure, there might be some 'banter' where we got fiesty after they actually did troll the room, but I do believe that is to be expected. And no, you shouldn't find any 'gtfos' in those logs.

Either way, this thread has run it's course and I'm not going to expend any extra energy into repeating the same thing, over and over.

This has become much more than just a chat discussion. Many have brought up other issues that should be discussed seperately and I'd encourage that to happen, instead of those issues getting stuck in this crap.

CMLReptiles · Nov 10, 2006

The really sad part to me, is how badly the reputations of certain people have been damaged due to this thread, be it things they said in it or elsewhere. So much respect has been lost, and over something to f'ing trivial.

"The depth of human stupidity will never cease to amaze me, as the depths never cease"

Joejr14 · Nov 10, 2006

jazzgeek said:
Aw, a little joke was made at your expense. :sobstory: Let me get a support group link for you.

Boy, way to contribute something to the forums, Dale. You're sure boosting the 'civility' of the forums by posting a link that brings you to a flash animation of "You are an Idiot". Very mature, something I'd expect from someone who is 47 years old.

But again, this doesn't surprise me. These are the typical posts you make on this website. You suggested that I've essentially contributed nothing to this website, and that the downfall of civility is on my shoulders.

At the very least I can say that I've helped people out by creating a bunch of FAQ's. I've answered questions as honestly as possible based on expert advice and my personal dealings.

What have you done? Well, aside from posting links to big flashing screens calling people idiots, taking shots at people in other threads and trying to hide behind it as a """joke""""". Or maybe when someone asked a question about their snake and your very helpful reply was "your mother hates you!"

Or hell, what about this:

clarinet45: i come in to talk to ppl and i get &*!@ing attacked
jazzgeek_CS: no, you're not fighting. You're just being a cunt.

But yes Dale, you'd make a GREAT chat room moderator. And hey, keep up the good fight on boosting the civility around here. Seems like we could all take lessons from you!

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Rich Z · Nov 10, 2006

You know what? This crap is getting to me. I've been snapping at my wife all day long, and she's about ready to put a bullet through my computer. And maybe me.

Now other people are going at each other's throats here.

So screw all this. I'm locking this thread. If anyone comes up with an overpowering reason for me to reopen it, PM me. I might agree with you.

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