Chat room - listen up, please

I just had someone send me a log of an altercation within the chat room. Quite honestly, I am very disappointed in everyone who participated in that crap. There was absolutely no need for anyone to act like what I witnessed in that log.

So listen up...... Yes, this site is tied directly into the corn snake chat room, and yes, the chat system is shared with the FaunaClassifieds site. But no one here OWNS that corn snake room to the exclusion of anyone else. If someone sees a crowd in there and comes on in with the hopes of striking up a conversation about tortoises, or anything else for that matter, I really don't appreciate people from this site ganging up on someone else and chasing them out the door, saying "gtfo, this is a CORN SNAKE chat".

That sort of thing is just uncalled for, and quite frankly I really hope I don't see anything at all like that take place again. It is childish, petty, and just downright rude for any group of people to act like that. So please note that if it continues, you will really leave me no choice in what I have to do about this matter. It takes two to tango, so BOTH (or as many as take part in it) will get escorted out the door all at the same time.

I really hate to have to enable the chat system logging feature again, but evidently it appears to be needed at this point.

I hope I am clear about the expected behavior out of everyone in the chat rooms.

Rich-

I was going to email you back, but since this is out in the open I'm just going to reply here.

First off, I've got to say I'm pretty shocked at your reaction. I actually think it will be GREAT if you enable the logging feature. You know how this website is---we tend to police our own. There is a LOT of crap that happens in chat that we do not involve you in because we know you are busy. We either ignore the person who's being a pain and trolling, or we make a room and boot them out until they figure it out. Maybe that's not 'nice', but neither is coming into a cornsnake chat room to be rude and expect EVERYONE to stop what they're talking about to answer your off topic question.

Just in this past week, I believe we've had a private room set up because of trolls from Fauna. Nobody emailed you about BPLover being a pain because it's easy enough to just create a room and deal with the situation. It's a thin line---you tell us you want to know when someone is trolling the chat room, but we all know that you're busy and have better things to do then read chat logs and ban people for being stupid.

However, what are we supposed to do? Why is our job to 'be nice' to rude people from Fauna who come into a cornsnake chat room to talk about frogs, toad, torts, iguana, lizards, moths, salamanders, etc etc? I don't get it. I feel like you're yelling at us because we're not accomodating these people---and that makes no sense to me. Is it snobbish? I don't know---the chat room is a clique--it's the same folks night in and night out. It's extremely rude to be doing what they're doing. They would be pissed off if we did the same to them, but we don't, because we have courtesy and class.

So, how do we handle these situations? Everyone tonight was clearly pretty pissed off from earlier in the week and just totally fed up with the trolls---and that showed up. I'm not sorry, and I'm not going to apologize for telling him to gtfo. Maybe that's wrong, but I don't see why I'm anymore at fault then he was---I didn't come blasting into a room with "I HAVE A TORT AND I NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED! HELLO?!?!?!?! WHY IS NOBODY ANSWERING ME?!?!?!?! YOU GUYS SUCK1!!!!!!"

That is the kinda crap we deal with just about each and every night, and Rich, it gets OLD quick.

It's not the fact that they're from Fauna, or that they want to talk about off topic material---since we do that ALL the time---it's the way the present themselves. If you ask, "Does anyone have torts?" and we say no---then leave it that was what you wanted to talk about. Don't keep it up being a pain in the butt just to be one.

Basically, I'm just confused. We get into trouble for sticking up and telling someone to leave, perhaps rudely, or we be nice at the expense of our conversation. What are we to do? Put the same people that come in from Fauna on ignore every night, create a private room with a password, or what? I don't think it's fair that our convos suffer because someone has the courtesy and common decency of a cretin....

Rich, I must say I agree with Joe on this. I'm in chat nearly every night, and I can remember 5 nights in the last maybe 1.5 weeks where I had to get into a private chat because there was a troll ruining the actual cornsnake chatroom. It's not that people try to talk about offtopic things, it's how they do it like Joe said. Are we supposed to accomodate people who come into the room, and just start demanding answers to questions about all manner of topics?

I can tell you from experiance we are rather good at policing each other. If somebody gets testy w/ somebody cause of an off-topic discussion, we'll simply tell them to back off, there's no need to be rude. If somebody gets a little out of hand, we'll ask them to tone it down. It's the people who refuse to listen to reason who get the "gtfo" treatment.

Be that as it may, getting rude in response to rude people is not what I want to see in the chat rooms. I really don't care that you believe you have "had enough". No one has the "right" just because a chat room may be named "corn snake chat room" to demand from someone else that this will be the ONLY topic allowed there.

And from what I have seen of snippets of chat logs sent to me, that seems to be the common catalyst to getting people in each other's faces.

I believe the chat room has a perfectly good IGNORE feature. So use it, if need be. If you WANT to go combative towards someone, then you are not part of the solution, YOU are part of the problem. No one HAS to argue with someone else on the internet.

Originally Posted by Joejr14

Maybe that's not 'nice', but neither is coming into a cornsnake chat room to be rude and expect EVERYONE to stop what they're talking about to answer your off topic question.

However, what are we supposed to do? Why is our job to 'be nice' to rude people from Fauna who come into a cornsnake chat room to talk about frogs, toad, torts, iguana, lizards, moths, salamanders, etc etc? I don't get it. I feel like you're yelling at us because we're not accomodating these people---and that makes no sense to me.

I find this hilarious!! It's okay for Cornsakes.com members to talk about any random topic at any random time, but it's not okay for somebody else to come in and talk about stuff. How childish. I only used Joe's quote but others have said much the same thing (In my best whiny voice) "But they're off-topic Rich." Give me a break.

Originally Posted by Joejr14

It's extremely rude to be doing what they're doing. They would be pissed off if we did the same to them, but we don't, because we have courtesy and class.

I'm not sorry, and I'm not going to apologize for telling him to gtfo. Maybe that's wrong, but I don't see why I'm anymore at fault then he was---I didn't come blasting into a room with

This IS directed at you Joe . . . SRSLY?! That's classy and courteous?! I would love to experience the princley behavior. I'd hate to see what happens when you're filled with good humor. Give me a break.

I may not have much room to talk because of my 'discussions' and such with the Vinster, but I can't believe what Rich posted in that Chatlog. I think Rich is right on the money with this one. Back to high school with the bunch of us eh?!

D80

First off I am glad that some one finally reported the ridiculous behavior that goes on in chat with the "chat clique".

Now I really had to think about posting this in this thread, Because I know that I will be offending a lot of the people in the "chat clique". But as I have said before "I do not care what a bunch of people on the internet think about me".

The type of behavior that happened in that chat log happens all the time on the forums here. I would call it trolling and have called it trolling in this thread:

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/sho...d.php?p=315221

People in chat were talking about that thread and then they go to it and started to post in very rude ways. They were trying goad me into a heated argument that might have gotten me banned and as soon as I called them on it they stopped.

Read the thread that I linked, in it do you see the similarities to that chat log? I sure do.

Just like in that thread I am sure people will be talking about this post in chat tonight, but they will not be trolling because they know Rich Z will be reading this thread.

OK I have said what I wanted to say, Rich, make your own judgements. And to everyone else (especially the "chat clique"), I could care less what you think about this post.

Originally Posted by Drizzt80

I find this hilarious!! It's okay for Cornsakes.com members to talk about any random topic at any random time, but it's not okay for somebody else to come in and talk about stuff. How childish. I only used Joe's quote but others have said much the same thing (In my best whiny voice) "But they're off-topic Rich." Give me a break.

Who in the hell is complaining that they're off topic? If people would bother to see the WHOLE picture and not just a snippet of a conversation, you'd see that. I, as with most of the people in chat, have no problems with off topic conversations. In fact, I could care less who's talking about off topic things because it's in a natural flow of chat.

What PISSES me off is when people come into the CORNSNAKES room thinking they own the joint and can just interrupt a conversation because they damn well please. That is absolutely ridiculous and I'm flabberghasted that you guys don't understand this.

Someone needs to explain how coming into the chat where a conversation is taking place and going:

HELLO DOES NE1 HERE HAVE TORTITOSES?!??

(no response in 10 seconds)

DOES NE1 HAVE NE TORTISOSES!?!?!?!

HELLO?!?!?!

Someone explain to how that is acceptable.

The reaction would be totally different if said person came into chat and said the following:

Hey guys, sorry to interrupt, but I was wondering if anyone here had any torts and could help me with a question I have?

I GUARANTEE you that that person would get an answer, instead of being ignored.

Originally Posted by D80

This IS directed at you Joe . . . SRSLY?! That's classy and courteous?! I would love to experience the princley behavior. I'd hate to see what happens when you're filled with good humor. Give me a break.

I may not have much room to talk because of my 'discussions' and such with the Vinster, but I can't believe what Rich posted in that Chatlog. I think Rich is right on the money with this one. Back to high school with the bunch of us eh?!

D80

Back to high school nothing.

When you come into a place and act like an ass, expect to be treated like one. This person came in, disrupted the chat that was going on, and then flipped out when he wasn't answered. Is someone REALLY going to defend this guy? Look at all that cussing, please, someone defend him.

People have gotten banned on this website for saying FAR less, and hell, I've been banned for calling someone a tard. This guy? He tells everyone that CS stands for c**k sucker, tells everyone to **** off and he's not banned from Fauna? What is that?

This crap happens just about every night.

Since we're showing snippets, here's another good one.

RealChat Server Version 2.2.2a, Enterprise Edition
Welcome to the FaunaClassifieds Chat Room!

10 people in 9 rooms.
Taceas_CS entered the room.
You are in Cornsnakes.
There are 1 people in the room.

Cornsnakes [1] Taceas_CS,
No Tards [9] Serpwidgets_CS, Hurley_CS, jazzgeek_CS, Daeraelle_CS, Candy_Cane1_CS, Fenderplayer108_CS, shed_n_my_skin_CS, jzal8_CS, lefty_mussolini_CS,

Taceas_CS is going to No Tards
Taceas_CS entered the room.
You are in No Tards.
There are 10 people in the room.
Room owner: Serpwidgets_CS
lefty_mussolini_CS: LOL
jazzgeek_CS: Ooooh, and the sweat!
Candy_Cane1_CS: FLAMO
Serpwidgets_CS: LMAO @ Misty
Taceas_CS: Oook.
Serpwidgets_CS: WHat did you do already?
Taceas_CS: Beats the hell out of me.
Candy_Cane1_CS: Taceas_CS: that was odd :P
CARattler40_CS entered the room.
Taceas_CS: Got lagged to hell coming in here.
CARattler40_CS: Testing.
lefty_mussolini_CS: me too
Serpwidgets_CS: 1, 2, 3
CARattler40_CS: Heh.
jazzgeek_CS: wb Carlos who sucks at the internet where nothing happens
CARattler40_CS: LOL
CARattler40_CS: ty Dale.
Taceas_CS: So, I'm guessing we had some boa talk earlier?
CARattler40_CS: Of course.
Serpwidgets_CS: And leotards.
Taceas_CS: Usual suspects?
jazzgeek_CS: yeah
CARattler40_CS: Yup
Serpwidgets_CS: R_A and some other fauna person
jazzgeek_CS: 5 minutes to Wapner
CARattler40_CS: People who lacked the _CS at the end of their name.
Hurley_CS: Yeah
Taceas_CS: lol
lefty_mussolini_CS: did anyone see the guy the other day that asked what the most money any of us has sold a corn for?
CARattler40_CS: Yes.
Taceas_CS: No.
lefty_mussolini_CS: I told him Trundlefart Corn for 250,000
CARattler40_CS: I've seen the "what's the most expensive and popular corn morph nowadays?" question a million times.
Serpwidgets_CS: Heh, did everyone say 5 dorrar?
Hurley_CS: One hundred BILLION dollars.
Taceas_CS:
Taceas_CS: And agreed Carlos...I've seen it enough times already this year.
Candy_Cane1_CS: Hurley_CS: Is that rasom money?
jazzgeek_CS: I've got some het Trundlefarts that I'm gonna be selling cheap.
clarinet45 entered the room.
lefty_mussolini_CS: he said "I doubt that"
Serpwidgets_CS: LOL
CARattler40_CS: LOL
CARattler40_CS: I'm getting sick of this lag.
clarinet45: why can't we talk about boas?
Serpwidgets_CS: Wasn't that a card game?
CARattler40_CS: 'cause Boas suck.
Daeraelle_CS has left the room.
Candy_Cane1_CS: Im not lagging at all o-o;
clarinet45: lol
lefty_mussolini_CS: and I said "I SWARE REED ABOWT IT IN TEH KATY MANULA!!!11"
clarinet45: what about beardies?
CARattler40_CS: LOL
Taceas_CS: Preferrably not.
clarinet45: what about balls?
lefty_mussolini_CS: and then he left
CARattler40_CS: Balls suck.
Taceas_CS: What about the lobby?
Fenderplayer108_CS: lol lets go to the cornsnake forum to talk about boas
CARattler40_CS: #
lefty_mussolini_CS: Suck Balls?
clarinet45: is that why you don't have any? lol
Candy_Cane1_CS: XD
jazzgeek_CS: http://www.cafepress.com/cronsankes.72820826 <--------- I love this. I want this.
Serpwidgets_CS: BUUUUUURN!
clarinet45: this is the 'no tards' room, not the cornsnake room
CARattler40_CS: Why are you here then, Sara?
clarinet45: why are you so uptight about the cornsnake room anyway?
lefty_mussolini_CS: No Tards... sponsored by Corn Snakes
CARattler40_CS: Hey I think it's raining.
Taceas_CS: Because we don't like snobs.
jazzgeek_CS: why do you presume we're uptight?
Fenderplayer108_CS has left the room.
Taceas_CS: If you don't like it, you can leave the same way you came in.
clarinet45: cause i get a ton of ppl in the lobby telling me about this bitch Taceas that puts them down for being in the cornsnake room
Daeraelle_CS entered the room.
lefty_mussolini_CS: the Cron Sankes shirt is RAD
jazzgeek_CS: and when was the last time you heard someone say "uptight"? I think it was Season 2, episode 5 of "The Mod Squad" for me.
clarinet45: lol
Serpwidgets_CS: Dude if you came in here to fight with someone, you can go elsewhere.
CARattler40_CS: srsly.
clarinet45: i'm not fighting
lefty_mussolini_CS: buleeted?
clarinet45: i come in to talk to ppl and i get &*!@ing attacked

So look, Clarinet comes into a private chat room and what are the first words out of her mouth? "Why can't we talk about boas?"

I am sorry, but it's that same type of crap night and in night out....it gets old.

Maybe we were wrong to jump on Joe_Jo, but it's to be expected when you've had to deal with that same situation time and time again for a week and a half straight.

Another thing---if you guys haven't been in chat, I think it's a bit absurd that you're making judgement and generalizations about this. Come on into chat and see exactly what happens before coming to conclusions.

Originally Posted by Joejr14

Who in the hell is complaining that they're off topic?

You are:

Originally Posted by Joejr14

Maybe that's not 'nice', but neither is coming into a cornsnake chat room to be rude and expect EVERYONE to stop what they're talking about to answer your off topic question.

Why is our job to 'be nice' to rude people from Fauna who come into a cornsnake chat room to talk about frogs, toad, torts, iguana, lizards, moths, salamanders, etc etc? I don't get it. I feel like you're yelling at us because we're not accomodating these people---and that makes no sense to me. Is it snobbish?

Originally Posted by Joejr14

What PISSES me off is when people come into the CORNSNAKES room thinking they own the joint

. . . and you're NOT acting like you own the place?!

Originally Posted by Joejr14

Someone needs to explain how coming into the chat where a conversation is taking place and going:
HELLO DOES NE1 HERE HAVE TORTITOSES?!??
(no response in 10 seconds)
DOES NE1 HAVE NE TORTISOSES!?!?!?!
HELLO?!?!?!
Someone explain to how that is acceptable.

Let's explore this further shall we?!

Originally Posted by Chatroom

Joe_Jo: does n e one know n e thing about tortoises
Serpwidgets_CS: Dude
hana_CS: This is CORN SNAKE chat
CARattler40_CS: Just ignore it
CARattler40_CS: It'll go away.
Serpwidgets_CS: LOL
CornCrazy_CS: Ummm...does this look like a tortoise room?
terrysangel79_CS: they got shells i think lol
CornCrazy_CS: we are discussing corn snakes...
CornCrazy_CS: LOL
CARattler40_CS: They swim.
breedingcolors_CS: Here are the babies from the first clutch, the second clutch I got 2 amels, 4 normals and this one
breedingcolors_CS: http://www.breedingcolors.com/english/pairing01.html
Joejr14_CS: dis is da cron sankie chat room
Joejr14_CS: gtfo
Weebonilass_CS: <--- checking snakie for hard shell............ nope, no travel trailer
jazzgeek_CS: I know some thing about tortoises.
stephen_CS: they dont swim Carlos
CornCrazy_CS: Their lungs are positioned in a weird place.
CARattler40_CS: SHHH
jazzgeek_CS: and that thing is "Tortoises are not corn snakes".
Joe_joe's Spaz follows . . .

From Joe_jo's second question about tortoises, he got told this is CORN SNAKE chat. (Funny, just after entering the room someone got called a butthead didn't know that was corn snakey). Got asked if this looked like a tortoise chat room. Got told they have shells (DUH!). Got told they swim (WRONG.). Got mocked with "dis is da cron sankie chat room" and then told to gtfo. All of this BEFORE his SPAZ session . . . Interesting.

Originally Posted by Joejr14

When you come into a place and act like an ass, expect to be treated like one. This person came in, disrupted the chat that was going on, and then flipped out when he wasn't answered. Is someone REALLY going to defend this guy? Look at all that cussing, please, someone defend him.

What's it mean when you're already in the place and act like an ass?! That's a more important question and one I think Rich is asking us to think about. Am I defending this guy? Nope. But I don't condone the reaction that he received neither. I guess if you want to talk Lesser Of Two Evils, yeah fine, but that doesn't remove the Classless way he was treated either.

Originally Posted by Joejr14

This crap happens just about every night.

Walk away! Corn Chat doesn't define you as a person does it?! Srsly?!

Originally Posted by Joejr14

Since we're showing snippets, here's another good one. So look, Clarinet comes into a private chat room and what are the first words out of her mouth? "Why can't we talk about boas?"

Thanks for more ammunition . . . not a good example . . .

Clarinet comes into a private chat room . . . how'd she get in there if it was private? Aren't private chat rooms password blocked? If not, then they're not private! DUH! But I digress . . . SO, Clarinet comes into private chat and the first words out of her mouth are:
clarinet45: why can't we talk about boas?
The answer she was give . . . ?
CARattler40_CS: 'cause Boas suck.
CLASSY!!

Originally Posted by Joejr14

Another thing---if you guys haven't been in chat, I think it's a bit absurd that you're making judgement and generalizations about this. Come on into chat and see exactly what happens before coming to conclusions.

I've been in chat, I enjoy going into chat when my schedule allows, I love venting in chat, I love conversations in chat, I love the people in chat, I love the debates in chat . . . There is no way I can love nor defend the language and behavior that is displayed towards Non-CS members that are Off-topic. Srsly . . . Yes, it's High School.

D80

dayum.................i am not sure who to spread some reputation around to. this partly is the reason i haven't been to the chat room in the last month..........glad i missed last night. some people have good meat in their posts and also have some poo mixed in. i think if you could take every post and make a nice little potpourri of sentences then it would all fit. but that's just my $.02

Originally Posted by Joejr14

Who in the hell is complaining that they're off topic? If people would bother to see the WHOLE picture and not just a snippet of a conversation, you'd see that.

Ah, the "out of context" defense. A classic.

Someone needs to explain how coming into the chat where a conversation is taking place and going:

HELLO DOES NE1 HERE HAVE TORTITOSES?!??

(no response in 10 seconds).....

1. First off, whenever I come into chat, it's NEVER "a" conversation. It's multiple conversations, overlapping each other. Why shouldn't someone coming into the room have the ability to begin their own conversations? I could cite MANY instances where you yourself have entered chat and posted something not relevant to the topics at hand, e.g., a crappy shift at Blockbuster. Moving forward, do I have license to respond with "off topic - gtfo" to you??
2. 10 seconds? Are you timing splits with a stopwatch?

The reaction would be totally different if said person came into chat and said the following:

Hey guys, sorry to interrupt, but I was wondering if anyone here had any torts and could help me with a question I have?

I GUARANTEE you that that person would get an answer, instead of being ignored.

Agreed, to a point. As I've already opined, articulate questions win out over inarticulate ones, no doubt. But, as the logs indicate, they're not being ignored. Pack instincts have smelled out fresh meat.

When you come into a place and act like an ass, expect to be treated like one.

Rich's point exactly. He's calling for an end to such behavior.

This crap happens just about every night.

As does the pack mentality.

I am sorry, but it's that same type of crap night and in night out....it gets old.

And again I say.....

Maybe we were wrong to jump on Joe_Jo, but it's to be expected when you've had to deal with that same situation time and time again for a week and a half straight.

And Rich has asked that we alter our expectations, and thus, our behavior, lest we lose the privilege he's given us. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Another thing---if you guys haven't been in chat, I think it's a bit absurd that you're making judgement and generalizations about this. Come on into chat and see exactly what happens before coming to conclusions.

I think the point is people who haven't been to chat have found no incentive to do so, given what they may face, as evidenced by the transcript.

regards,
jazz