abell82
Senile Member
This one was on kingsnake a few days ago...
There is a Jungle Tessera? on Kingsnake right now...
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Tessera Debate
- Thread starter whoty
- Start date
wstphal
working in the Gulag
You know, most of the elderly I have met with wrinkled tats served in WWII or Korea and their wrinkled service tats look cool to me. Dunno what I will think when I am old & my peers all have tats though. Sorry, off the thread topic.
UniqueSnakes
The Diffused Team!!!
I've been thinking this for a while. What about if you breed a tessera to a kingsnake or a to a pueblan milksnake or another snake besides corns and get half normals and half tesseras. Has anyone try this test? If so, than you will have your answer about tesseras being hybrids or not. I also know that just because tesseras are a dominate gene doesn't necessary mean they are 100% pure cornsnake.
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
How exactly would that prove they were or weren't a hybrid??
Doesn't mean they are a hybrid either does it?
D80
Shiari
Blutterer
Ah, but it does NOT display some of the classic tessera patterning, such as a stripe onto the tail. That is a pinstripe motley.
Teddy Roosevelt
i loev cronsankes
It doesn't look like all the lines the three different breeders who introduced this have, but it certainly shows some huge similarities to one of them... I can't keep them straight at the moment though.
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
FYI, my post was completely tongue in cheek and not in the least serious. I fully trust that to the best of KJ, Graham, and Don's knowledge and experience they are not hybrids.
D80
mike17l
Self-Admitted Duckoholic
Nanci, I have not personally produced any tesseras, so I cannot help much in that aspect, but as far as where on a curve a "perfect" tessera is...no idea, as few as have been produced, it may be way out on the end, or in the middle, we will have to wait for more to find out. It could also be the affect of multiple genes (tessera+stripe and/or motley), so the jury is still out.
omni
antiunresemiretirismic
Correct. It wouldn't prove or disprove hybrid. It would, however, show some evidence that the pattern might be dominant across different species.
omni
antiunresemiretirismic
This is gonna be a mix for anyone planning working w/ them: I'm thinking the only tessaras (at least 90%+) that become available in the next 3 years will just have one copy of the gene, being visual but just 'het for' giving only half clutches of the pattern. It will take another gen after that to have 'pure' tessaras from breeding them together, and it'd still be a guess if the offspring had 1 or both copies.
Let's see what the next 2 years market for them will be. There will be plenty time for lots ppl to get into working with them before it's played out. Years. I'd hope to get one in 2 yrs, but it might be three+ yrs before they are ~$300 which is most I'd buy one for. The market might not fall out fast as ppl think even tho is a dominant pattern. There's too many morphs that will gain from having this look and the time for ppl to get them and actually combine into multi-gene morphs.
Let's see what the next 2 years market for them will be. There will be plenty time for lots ppl to get into working with them before it's played out. Years. I'd hope to get one in 2 yrs, but it might be three+ yrs before they are ~$300 which is most I'd buy one for. The market might not fall out fast as ppl think even tho is a dominant pattern. There's too many morphs that will gain from having this look and the time for ppl to get them and actually combine into multi-gene morphs.
SickPyth7
Snakes
I SECOND THAT STRONGLY!!!! I have produced several Pinstripe Motleys and all look exactly like that photo. I could be wrong but I would bet my money that its Motley.
SickPyth7
Snakes
IMO...There is way to much motley in the stripe.
Upper right hand corner
Hypo Motley/Pinstripe...stripes clean like Tessera but not related in any way. OH yeah! not a full stripe on the tale either.
This is also why Tessera is going to be an interesting challenge for all of us. It brings the Bernie Madoffs out of the wood work to sell genetics that may not be as they appear.
SickPyth7
Snakes
Thank you Nanci. The pinstripe versions of motley are really unique against stripes. Tessera takes on the pinstripe look and then as seen with the new Sunkissed Tessera the stripe gets wide, weird huh!
I agree with Don S. in a personal Email, Tessera has thicker black borders against the stripe then stripes or motley/pinstripes.
whoty
New member
Dentist way,yeah. They file and space your teeth. "Pull outs" as they call it way,no. They just slap it on. lol